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Old 05-01-2009, 05:24 PM
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DC4010 Clear over Waterborne?

OK... Just got done spending a fortune at my local paint store to get ready to paint my '32 Coupe. Got everything I need and I am doing it with Envirobase. But when it came to getting the clear the guys at the store said they had never heard of the PPG Global D8188 and that I could use any clear over the PPG envirobase. I walked out with the good old DC4010 Velocity Clear.

But when I look at the tech sheet for the Envirobase, it does not list this clear in the list of compatible clear coats.

Any painters out there know for sure from experience if the DC4010 can be used over Envirobase?

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Most countermen these days do not know enough about the products they sell to make reliable recommendations. If I was in California, painting a '32 with Envirobase, I would probably want to use Global D8188 clear.

Get some more opinions before you use that 4010, which to me is a production repair clear not well suited to your project.
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Most countermen these days do not know enough about the products they sell to make reliable recommendations. If I was in California, painting a '32 with Envirobase, I would probably want to use Global D8188 clear.

Get some more opinions before you use that 4010, which to me is a production repair clear not well suited to your project.
I think the 4010 is just a thinned version of the 2010 which is what I used to use in the solvent days. But I agree, I think I should take this stuff back and stick to the plan. This is my first time with the envirobase and when I talked to PPG about my the clear they had originally agreed to the D8188.
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I believe 4010 is the low VOC version of DC4000, which in turn is the updated version of DC3000, a relatively new production shop clear. If you end up using Deltron clear, a Concept clear like 2002 or 2021 would perform better than 4010 or 4000, but they are probably not compliant.

BTW, most urethane clears will perform well over dry waterborne base. A test panel can be shot to check adhesion.

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OK... I spoke to the PPG techs today. Here is the deal.

The DC4010 is compatable with the envirobase waterborne. When I asked him about it not being on the tech sheet, he said that the tech sheet came out when the EPA was trying to figure things out. He said that the DC4010 is "best quality" in the Deltron product line and the D8188 is "best quality" in the Global product line.

Here is the part that got interesting. He then asked but what product family are you used as and under-coat. I told him the SX1071, DLV8005, and DLV8085 which are all from the Global products line. He said that that was more important than the envirobase and because I am starting with the Global line he suggested staying with the D8188 due to it being a Global product and being specifically designed for the envirobase waterborne product.

So... to make a long store short (too late), I will be taking the DC4010 back, even though technically it should work, and getting the D8188.

Just wanted to update this incase anyone else ran across this problem.
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Your PPG rep shot straight with you, and I agree the counter guys at the paint store don't know squat.

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OK... Just got done spending a fortune at my local paint store to get ready to paint my '32 Coupe. Got everything I need and I am doing it with Envirobase. But when it came to getting the clear the guys at the store said they had never heard of the PPG Global D8188 and that I could use any clear over the PPG envirobase. I walked out with the good old DC4010 Velocity Clear.

But when I look at the tech sheet for the Envirobase, it does not list this clear in the list of compatible clear coats.

Any painters out there know for sure from experience if the DC4010 can be used over Envirobase?
Water based base coats take a Urethane clear coat...All of them
Now it is Always better to use the Clear coat the manufacture specifies...JUST to make sure your warranties are up held...That being said if you cant get the specified clear.......Shoot a urethance clear over it No Problem
Most of the specified Products from the same manufacture are made to get you to buy thier stuff

If PPG runs out of Clear for a month for whatever reason the world of painting wont stop

I have been shooting waterbased for some time....I have had NO ISSUES with any Urethane clear over PPG or Dupont water based product.....Matrix either


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