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Old 10-09-2002, 07:30 PM
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So I,m thinkin of buying this 84 1/2 ton pickup with a 300 carbed six and a 4 speed for $500. The Question's go like this: Will this engine pull a car and trailer? What kind of tranny might this be? toploader maybe? I can tell the rearend's definitly a 9".The engine runs like crap right now. sounds like missing cyl. on every other cycle. The guy who owns the ride tells me the timming chain tore some teeth of the gears when his sister was drivin the thing(she's been driving it for 3 years). He goes to put a new chain on it and gets it to run however really rough like, and doesn't know how it ran before when she drove it. My first thought that the valves were bent but with my limited experiance with these motors I'm not sure these engines have the interferance or not. So a new head would cost about $200 and the rest of the truck is probably worth it. I'm also looking to transplant a 302/351 or something in its place eventually. further more, How hard is it to do? Will the tranny bolt into the V8? Motor mounts work? or will drilling the frame and welding new mount brackets be a neccesity?
Final and foremost, Whats the opinion on my ideas?

On a side note, How do i convince the girlfriend that I need yet another vehicle?

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Old 10-09-2002, 07:48 PM
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First the guy must be yanking your chain, the 240/300 sixes have gears no chain in the cam drive.There is unlikely any interference between valves and pistons with the stock lift and dished piston (more likely a burnt valve). The combo will pull a trailer (I've done it with the same combo in a shortbed model), the tranny is most likely a 3+OD version of the toploader (aluminum case) and any Ford smallblock will bolt up to the bellhousing (they use the same bellhousing pattern). Finally, you might consider building a little more umph into the six, there is plenty of parts available and they can be built extremely stout, Ak Miller built one for a '67 'stang back in the late '60's that turned 12's in the quarter.
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[quote]The guy who owns the ride tells me the timming chain tore some teeth of the gears when his sister was drivin the thing (she's been driving it for 3 years). He goes to put a new chain on it and gets it to run however really rough like, and doesn't know how it ran before when she drove it.<hr></blockquote>

Probably just a misunderstanding. There were two cam gears available for service, phenolic and steel. That's most likely explains the loss of teeth.

I would verify cam/ignition timimg and run a compression check on it. It may just be faulty ignition components (Pep Boys) that are causing the loss in performance.

And yes, the 240/300 can be modified for serious HP output.
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Old 10-10-2002, 04:29 AM
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I agree, the 300-6 Ford is hard to beat. The only thing I've noticed with them is that main bearing noise is common, but I've seen them go forever even with the noise. You should have no problem pulling with it.
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Old 10-10-2002, 06:26 AM
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According to the guy The compression looked really good(although specific numbers aren't avialable) in all cyl. However, I'm beggining to doubt this guys "mechineckin'" skills. I'm thinking the carb is probably full of crud so I'm betting on at least a rebiuld or replacment. Plugs,wires,ect.. possibly even the cam timming still out of wack. I think its probably still a good deal.
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Having owned 300's with the 3+OD, I think I'd look for a V8 powered truck. I have never been able to get better fuel economy and aftermarket stuff, while available is nowhere near as varied.

If the puppy is rust 'n' dent free and it is a Lariat and I had a spare bent eight to fill the hole, I might go back for a second or even third look. $500 is not that hot a deal for what is basically an engineless pickup. The feeling you have about the seller says tons. You are there lookin' an' listenin'.


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Old 10-10-2002, 09:07 AM
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It is fairly good shape body wise other than a missing wing on the drivers side door. $20 at the nearest salvage yard. Its been hit on the lower side skirt but not so hard that any piant has come off. I do actually have a 302 mod motor for the swap I've been saving just for this occasion. trucks are pretty expensive here because of the city that thinks its smaller than it is, makes every one drive one. Just the other day I looked at a 77' chevy half ton short bed that was dent/rust free with a new motor and was selling for $7000!! I think I'll take the chance and offer 350/400 max
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I had an 84 F250 with the 300, Great truck! not fast but it would pull anything. The F250 was available with the 4speed (3sp + granny low), or a 5 speed (4+OD) I think the 150 was too. The 250 was also a forged kingpin axle vs the ball joint type for the 150.
I'd pay 500 for a decent no rust ford pickup sans engine any day.

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Old 10-10-2002, 12:40 PM
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If you are using it as a truck like a truck is made to be used, that 300 is a horse! I had one as well and that thing could set the space shuttle in place!
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I also had a 84 250 w/ 4speed granny , I had no trouble towing. One thing you might check on the rough running is the distributor gear has a shear pin and some times it shears and the gear slips and the thing runs like crap, been there done that.
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The main noise referred to is, I believe, the lash in the gears after they get some wear. I've heard it in several engines and bleed down checks showed tight mains, I remember in older engines that used gears the rattle was pretty common especially with a phenolic gear.
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Woodz:I hear ya', but I have a fleet of 20 or so vans that I work on for a ministries, and most of them have the 300-6 Ford. I have noticed that a few that had the "noise" were the gears when checked for backlash (or so I believe). But every one that I took apart had bad main wear compared to the rods. I have seen these motors take some serious abuse, that's what you get when you have college kids from all over the world driving them. We even had to color code all the fluid caps because they added coolant to the oil on more than one occasion! <img src="graemlins/drunk.gif" border="0" alt="[drunk]" /> These motors rank high in my book.
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WOW! you guys make a great salesmen, I was a little worried about using it as a daily driver so I can fix up my newest ride. Thanx tremedesly(?) for all responses.
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