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Old 06-06-2010, 03:42 PM
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Depth

I am very curious to know how Depth is determined, Some say in the color black a Single Stage is as deep as a Bc/Cc

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depth has nothing to do with anything other than clarity of the finish .
but the laws of physics say otherwise. the light goes right through the Clearcoat and the light reflect back, the difference of clarity between the clearcoat and the normal air around us is what we percive as Depth...

this is more so on True Candy Paint(tri-stage), on black is abit less but one can argue that you can make a Black Candy paint(black base, darker candy coat, final clearcoat) and that could be the deepest Black paint ever...

so what do you guys think....I mean you guys the Pros...can you make black deeper? or as Mr Shine say its all on the polishing....

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"can you make black deeper?"

I am confused here, do you mean:

that the paint looks deeper like 'dipped in honey"

OR

a million mile mirror shine to the reflection

The only way to make black 'blacker' is to start with the blackest black available with no color tint to it or shade of charcoal gray in it.

Have fun with the hunt on that one.
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[QUOTE=oldBodyman]"can you make black deeper?"

I am confused here, do you mean:

that the paint looks deeper like 'dipped in honey"
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Yep...thats the Depth I am talking about....
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"Yep...thats the Depth I am talking about.... "

Very easily done, add clear to factory-pack single stage. Over the years the factory has removed clear base from SS to get faster coverage but it kills the depth of the shine. By adding clear into the last few coats you just made 'translucent black candy', you will be see into the paint NOT just the surface shine.

Of coarse you will now need to relearn how to polish black NOT just buffing clear, there is a difference.
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Of coarse you will now need to relearn how to polish black NOT just buffing clear, there is a difference.
I was afraid of that....
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As these guys have said, there are two different things they can refer to as "depth".

Gloss is probably the wider interpretation of "depth", as the reflections you see on the surface seem like you are looking into a mirror, and seeing the image of the world behind you.

"Depth" is also used to describe the distance between the top surface reflections.... and the light bouncing off of the deeper base color... especially a highly reflective metallic or pearl. Your eye can see the distance between the two types of reflection.

You can add even more "richness" with the affect of the light reflecting back, and illuminating a tinted transparent color, producing a rich "lit from within" appearance. ...but you still need that original high gloss to make it look it's best!
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but you still need that original high gloss to make it look it's best!
so for the Deepest Black, a SS black and then an transparent black candy and then Clearcoat?..
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so for the Deepest Black, a SS black and then an transparent black candy and then Clearcoat?..
Waterdude, you must not have listened to SHINE. Because he said ss was deeper than bc/cc or anything with clear. He said the reflection from the black caused the clear to be hazy. He said that straight ss black was also darker than with clear . Now all these guys are saying that with clear its deeper NOW who's right?
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The problem with all of the extra work is that you won't see the difference.

Without getting into a deep discussion, different colors reflect different amounts of light. White reflects a lot, but black is just the opposite, and absorbs it. You will see the surface reflections great, because the contast of a dark background will make them seem stronger... but the light that bounces back from a black base through the tint and clear, will probably be almost zero. Don't waste your time and materials.
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Waterdude, you must not have listened to SHINE. Because he said ss was deeper than bc/cc or anything with clear. He said the reflection from the black caused the clear to be hazy. He said that straight ss black was also darker than with clear . Now all these guys are saying that with clear its deeper NOW who's right?
You Cant fool Quantum Physics....
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Don't waste your time and materials.
Tell that to the Candy lovers.....
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You aren't telling me anything. I have seen it first hand. Clear coated black will ALWAYS look like you can stick your arm up to your elbow into it compared to straight single stage. ALWAYS. You CAN NOT polish ss enough to make it look deeper. What I think of as deep is looking into a pool of crystal clear water. One is 6 inches deep (ss) and the other is 2 ft deep(clear) You can tell by looking at them which one is deeper.
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Tell that to the Candy lovers.....
If the candy had a highly reflective base underneath... like silver... then the light would pass through the candy, and reflect back from the metallic silver base and back out. Then you might be able to see something different. However the color black does not reflect much light at all. It is probably the least reflective of all colors. What you will get is the just affect of the highly polished surface.

If you don't believe it... do some test panels, and find out for yourself. The you will know what the car should look like.

I would suggest doing them on the same panel, so you can compare them as closely as possible.
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I would suggest doing them on the same panel, so you can compare them as closely as possible.
I come from the Scale auto comunity and I always test things on plastic spoons, I will be posting pics soon....

hey did you checked my Candy Spoon thread..?
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