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Old 08-16-2006, 01:57 PM
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Deuce roadster needs brake boost

Hi Guys!

As many of you already know I just bought my 1932 Hiboy roadster last night. The master cylinder is rusted and leaks badly - needs to GO.

I have wanted to get power breaks (or equivalent) on any rod I buy anyways so to be safe, so no biggie, the master cylinder will have to go anyways, right?

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS:

Note: I currently have drums all around and would like to keep it that way if at all possible (nostalgia look - prefer not to upgrade to disc) - the roadster currently breaks OK but not great so I want to add a gismo to help in that department (power breaks? break booster? what??).

WHAT DO YOU GUYS RECOMMEND I BUY TO GET THE JOB DONE? What is it, how does it work, where do I buy it and how much does it cost.

Any input from someone who has done the same job before is appreciated.

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Old 08-16-2006, 02:05 PM
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Check out a company by the name of Master Power Brakes loads of information
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:42 PM
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What...you want to add a gismo? Do some research.....use the Search function on this site... Check out the project journals on this site....read some hot rod magazines....Streetrodder is one of the best. See what the other folks with cars like you are doing and what they are using and where they get thier parts etc.
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Old 08-16-2006, 03:53 PM
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So it is time for your first mechanical decision. Do you replace the master cylinder that is the car with the same type that is already in it, do you rebuild the one that is in it or do you go with a power brake unit. Here is a link to how and why power brakes are used. Check it out and I think you may find what you are looking for and be surprised.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/power-brake.htm
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I have a power brake set up on my 32 Roadster and one on my 32 3W project ( shown ) ...

IF you have a dual master cylinder ... I suggest you just replace it ... and enjoy the car ... BUT ...

Total Cost Involved sells a dual master cylinder set up with a power brake booster. They are almost local to you.

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IF you have a dual master cylinder ... I suggest you just replace it ...
I am not sure what I have and will find out tomorrow. I did take a long look at the master cylinder yesterday and it needs to GO, I think a booster would be a wise investment so will call these people you mentioned tomorrow and pick their brains (which I am really good at by the way, when I call a shop it's like brain surgery - and for the salesperson probably feels like a labotomy hehe)... But I LEARN TONS OF STUFF in the process and get exactely what I want.

Thanks Deuce your post was (as always) VERY helpful. You rock!
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I always recommend using a top grade of brake lining/ pads. Just because the stores sell "life time guarantee" does not mean it will stop well.

Why would they move this out of the "brakes" column and into the "basics" column??????? Isn't this about brakes?


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Why would they move this out of the "brakes" column and into the "basics" column??????? Isn't this about brakes?
It is somewhat a ' BASIC ' question ... and was moved by JON ...
The Brake forum is for more technical stuff ... like " How to adapt 56 F-100 brakes to my 40 Ford spindle " question ... or a more specific type question.

You will see more and more questions moved to the BASIC area ... sort of a beginners question ...

Deuce ...
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http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/ is another place to check out.
Does your roadster have a heater? I see a hose sneekin' out of the pass side cylinder head.
Have fun,Smokey
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Higirl, if you're going to replace the master now would be a good time to upgrade to power brakes. Master Power (www.mpbrakes.com) is a good place to go, as I'm sure the others mentioned are. With drum brakes it probably stops fine but takes a little more leg pressure than you're used to. I'm not meaning anything by this, but most of us guys will stand a lot more brake pressure and say "it's fine as it is". Non-power disc brakes are even fine in a light car for me, but I don't think my wife would like that at all!!
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http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/ is another place to check out.
Does your roadster have a heater? I see a hose sneekin' out of the pass side cylinder head.
Have fun,Smokey
CALLED ECIHOTROD people, person who answered was very impatient and unhelpful. of well, guess I will just have to give my money to someone else .

yesterday I found out that

1- I do have a dual master cylinder
2- I have an older frame thatwoud require cutting through to fit a power booster mounted to the pedal.

It was suggested I use a remote power booster instead, which is a unit that can be placed elsewhere under the frame (say towards the back, where my master cylinder is). I am awaiting a quote from my local hotrod specialist, but wanted to get second opinions - Anyone??
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[QUOTE=yekomsDoes your roadster have a heater? I see a hose sneekin' out of the pass side cylinder head.
Have fun,Smokey[/QUOTE]

Si I use it at night and boy does it come handy! Most of the roadsters for sale I had test driven has AC but no heat. I personally can tolerate heat very well but get cold real easy, so a heater was a big plus. I do not have AC on it (yet - maybe never will...). i find that once you are moving, the wind in your hair/face,body is enough to keep fairly cool, yesterday it was over 100F in Burbank and I cruised without too much problem (Sunscreen protection #45 helps too LOL)
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You have been driving the car and even told of making a panic stop......why do you think you have bad brakes? Also what makes you think the master cylinder is bad? Have you had to add brake fluid? I am just trying to figure all this out. The drum type brakes should be adequate for the roadster as the weight is really not that great.
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<<Total Cost Involved sells a dual master cylinder set up with a power brake booster. They are almost local to you>>

talked to them, they referred me to a semi local shop and I talked to them for a long time. Learned a lot. Mostly learned I do not know ANYTHING about breaks LOL - and it seems that this is about to change hehe.
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CALLED ECIHOTROD people, person who answered was very impatient and unhelpful. of well, guess I will just have to give my money to someone else .

yesterday I found out that

1- I do have a dual master cylinder
2- I have an older frame thatwoud require cutting through to fit a power booster mounted to the pedal.

It was suggested I use a remote power booster instead, which is a unit that can be placed elsewhere under the frame (say towards the back, where my master cylinder is). I am awaiting a quote from my local hotrod specialist, but wanted to get second opinions - Anyone??
This is what I am doing on my Model 'A'. Something similar could be done on your '32. It is not a remote power booster, but rather a dual diaphragm booster and dual master cylinder mounted further back on the frame to solve some clearance problems if mounted further forward. A simple bracket to mount the unit to the frame rails and an extended actuating rod from the brake pedal will connect everything up. You will need residual valves in the system.

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