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Old 01-14-2006, 01:15 AM
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Different roadster

Just a bit different kind of roadster..thought you guys might like this..This car is scratch built using parts from a donor car..Might give someone some ideas..

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Looks to me to be one of these http://www.caterham.co.uk/
based on these http://www.utahlotusmuseum.com/id90.htm
Hereīs another make on similar lines http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/sales/aero8.html should be pretty lively.

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Old 01-14-2006, 01:56 AM
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Maybe OMT was thinking of this http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/preowned/index.htm (didīnt work, check Starter Kits on this page )
so all it needs now is one of these http://store.yahoo.com/chucker54/472hemcratmo.html
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OMT,

You got any shots of the front suspension on that roadster or do you know what it is? From a distance it looks like it might be a hand-fabbed IFS.

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Front suspension

This is a different car but from the same idea..Yes they are like the Caterham which is derived from the Lotus 7 by Colin Chapman..they are built with a space frame chassis from square tubing and are very lite..One of these will give a fellow a whole new appreciation of power to weight ratio as they are FAST and will totally embarrass some very expensive cars..I have attached a couple of files for the suspension details..

They are are totally DIY type of cars and there are some books and there is an active org in the UK that builds and races them..

The pics show a couple of different versions of the front suspensions as done by a couple of different builders..there are differences in the cars as guys use the basic plan and make the changes that they wish while under construction so no two are going to be exactly alike..Mostly 4cyl engines are seen in these..

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Very interesting possibilities for those hand made front suspensions. If you have a chance, dig out the book titles that have the specs and post them (do you know if any are available at Amazon?). Also, do you have a web site for the UK group (or some search terms I might use to google them).

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There are several manufacturers of these Lotus 7 type Kits over here. Caterham bought the rights from Lotus many years ago and have defended those rights in court many times, so the others have to vary from the original design or land in court.

The top two would, I think, be Caterham and Westfield.

The half-ton V8 recommended above would be no use in these cars and would not stand a chance against them.

The Caterham fitted with the Rover 1796cc four pot covers 0-60mph in 3.8 seconds.

100mph comes up in 8.7 seconds, and zero-100mph-zero takes 11.4 seconds.

The Westfield is very popular with a Suzuki Hayabusa 998cc, six speed sequential gearbox, and 11,500rpm. 0-60 about the same 3.8 seconds.

These are road-going cars, not Dragsters built to run one event before rebuild.

Your big V8 engined machines are ok in the US where the only turn needed is the off ramp from the Interstate to the Mall, over here we need to take corners every few hundred yards.

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the other major problem here in america is the constant need to flee from bears, which is why all our vehicals need to be big enough for a gun rack, and why we need v8's in everything too

luckily back in the early days of our country, the pilgrams decided that it would be easier to level the entire country instead of traveling up and down hills for all eternity ....so theres never any need for a road to curve
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Books and info

Cboy if you google "locost" you will find a lot on those..mostly from the UK. I fyou go to Steve Smith Autosports on the web he has a bunch of books on suspension design and some software to help you rool yer own so to speak..

Me I think I just may go see Art Morrison and get one of his MII clips for mine as it looks a lot like the pictures and works just fine..and a lot less hassle than rolling my own..

As far as the V-8 vs 4cyl deal that is a whole nother thing to me..If one has ever been in the UK one woudl know that the roads are so narrow a chevelle would never fit..so they do the really small cars there..

On this side of the pond it is probably about 2500 miles from my house to Cboy's so that big freeway runner is the thing to have on that kind of trip..

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Different Roadster

On this side of the pond it is probably about 2500 miles from my house to Cboy's so that big freeway runner is the thing to have on that kind of trip..

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On this side of the pond, If I drive 50 miles in either direction I will fall in the Sea.
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One of GM's new 4 bangers would work nicely in that chassis.

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One of GM's new 4 bangers would work nicely in that chassis.

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or the k20 out of an acura rsx-s
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Design concept

As a design concept what Colin Chapman did still works well today..and yes any number of 4cyl engine tranny combos could work well in one of these cars..I expect that an American built version would trend toward larger engines that are available on this side of the pond..

The big deal to me about these cars is that a dedicated individual can build one and have a nice handling, fast roadster and not bend his budget too bad using off the shelf stuff locally available.

Of course each car would have the individual spin of the builder..

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The big deal to me about these cars is that a dedicated individual can build one and have a nice handling, fast roadster and not bend his budget too bad using off the shelf stuff locally available.

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i saw an online artical at one point for a contest someone put on for a mag or something, instead of a budget ENGINE build contest, it was a budget CAR contest

$2000 .. 2 grand ... was the limit, and a father son tean scratch built an entire lotus seven for like $1997 (i think, i know they had less then $10 left over) they did an incredable job of finding killer deals on parts too, they acounted for the cost of ever part on the car, most of which was obtained by swapping for parts off their donar car (80's 4cyl mustang i beleive)
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"The half-ton V8 recommended above would be no use in these cars and would not stand a chance against them."

The Hemi in a Lotus comment made tongue in cheek.
But I do think someone built these little cars with V8 power.
They do, http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/SEiGHT-kitcar.htm

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