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dodge motor and chevy transmision

Wierd question. got a 74 chevy 4x4 pickup with a bulldog. needs a motor and I have a strong dodge 360. Is there any way this chevy bulldoge will bolt up to a dodge bellhousing. I do know back in the 70's these old style standard shift bulldogs were all made by the same company chevy ford and doge. thanx

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Sorry, not to familiar with the term "Bulldog". Is it a SM 465 truck 4-speed?
If so finding another bell housing is easy. but be wary of the input shaft O.D. and the pilot bushing I.D..
check the distance also. Just becuse they are made by the same manufcturer doesnt mean theyre indenticle. just do the math before you jump the gun.
Also Advance Adapters is the leader in conversions, you may try getting some info from them. The kits that i have looke into can be quite pricey
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I would guess there would be a adapter available because it used to be popular to run powerglides at the drags behind just about everything

my thought here is a powerglide has Gm bolt pattern.
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I've never heard of a "bulldog" transmission either.

But if you figure out what that trans is really called, you might check with Wilcap. (As mentioned before, Advance Adapters is a good one too)


They have over 500 trans, bellhousing , and engine templates on hand to make almost any kind of adapter you could need. We are using one of their adapters to put a 700r4 behind a Dodge 440, and I have used their adapters on other projects as well. Nice stuff, and reasonably priced.

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IIRC Bulldog refers to the low first gear transmissions.
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IIRC Bulldog refers to the low first gear transmissions.
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Then it's probably the Muncie SM465.
That's about the only granny low transmision that came in the Chevy those years.

I don't know what Dodge used,(I think New Process), but Ford didn't use Muncies in their trucks..The Ford 4 speeds were Borg Warner T-18 and 19 or New Process SM 435.

So they were not all made by the same manufacturer as assumed by the OP.

And as stated before, the snout diameter. input shaft length and bolt pattern are probably different.

I know for a fact that the New Process 435 as used in a Ford is different from the Muncie SM 465 in all of those dimensions, and I've read that the New Process 435 for a Dodge is different.

So chances are, that a Dodge bellhousing will only work with a transmission originally installed in a Dodge .

You could try calling McCloed or Lakewood and see if they make an aftermarket bellhousing with the correct pattern.

You will probably need to use a style Dodge bellhousing anyway...doesn't a Dodge starter bolt to the BH?


But after all of that....In all reality, you'd really be better off finding a crashed car or truck and getting the chevy motor out.


By the time you get finished with redoing wiring, accessory brackets, exhaust, and all of the adapters you need to fit that 360 in there, you'll be money ahead.

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AS far as I know most New Process stuff is related mostly to transfer cases.
Yes youre wright about ford using Borg Warner in fact they have always liked to use the B.W. tranfers as well as the N.P.s but the SM I think stands for Saginaw/Muncie.

So if you do have a SM 465 wich is the strongest of them acording to offroad gurus then the gear box should mount with a 4 hole pattern, and they used them in the big three. If you could find a bell housing that is set up for the Chrys. it may be worth it, as long as youre talking about a carb engine
A lot of the 360s actually used the rochesters same as the chevs. Do some research to find out exactly what you have. and again measure twice bolt in once. Powerrodsmike has some good info also! Its not hard at all to find decent running chevs around here, you may think about saving some time and trouble.
I converted an 81 Jeep wagoneer to Chev some years ago but didnt mess with the AMC Mongolian cluster^^^^^.
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New Process did have an afilliation with some of the old truck 4-speeds. however Im not sure who actually assembled these things. Iknow there was a 425, 435, 465. Peterson's 4wheel and offroad did a long story on these set ups and interchanges a few years ago. you may want to pay their sit a visit and see if its in the archives.
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AS far as I know most New Process stuff is related mostly to transfer cases.
Yes youre wright about ford using Borg Warner in fact they have always liked to use the B.W. tranfers as well as the N.P.s but the SM I think stands for Saginaw/Muncie.

So if you do have a SM 465 wich is the strongest of them acording to offroad gurus then the gear box should mount with a 4 hole pattern,
Ford used the New Process 435 in a bunch of the '70s pickups.. I have one in my 72 F100.

The trans bolt patterns are not all the same. Neither are the bearing retainer OD's.

I have an SM 465 in my 73 blazer, and it is a quiet and strong trans, and shifts MUCH better than any of the ford stuff.

Like's been said by TRLBLAZER, measure twice, and don't assume that anything will fit.


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