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Old 03-31-2010, 08:51 PM
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Don't You Hate It When.....

I'am almost in tears. My parent never were mechanical in any way I love old cars and going fast. I took to a older man in junior high and started learning the in's and outs well this man was pontiac man and I sorta thought it out and liked the buick/pontiac it was diffrent now I'am much older with still alot to learn well all thoses years I was buying pontiac motors and "rare" motors from this guy. Well I had a fine collection of rare 389, ram air 400, rare this and that and mind you a ton of it and ton of doughin it to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well never was one to learn the art of casting numbers just always took the persons world for it, you see were this is going right? well as of today it seems that instead of having a kewl 1968 gto ram air, very clear that I own 4 1970-78 400-350 ..........just learned today that 6x didn't come out intil 1972ish and the "ram air" motor was some realy!!! I mean realy #hitty 1969 heads on a 1970's block the only reason why I'am sharing this with you is because my name and face don't aren't showing why? all to cheat a little kid??? but why help me? why take me under his wing? how do you tell a best friend/mentor that he a sack a #hit? I know there was no confusion on the intent on these's sales because he told me he pulled most of them out of the rare cars...........the only thing that was remotely close was the " 1966 gto heavy duty th400" well it was a heavy duty th400 from the late 60's ............don't even what to think about it right now there was enough money into all those motors to buy a real 1968 ram air gto

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Old 03-31-2010, 11:31 PM
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Boggla500, I'm sure there was a question in there somewhere, but I can't figure out what it is. I've been into Pontiacs and drag racing since the early 60s, so I might be able to help you, if I knew what you wanted.

Here's mine:
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:47 PM
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No question, no want, just venting because he was fooled into thinking he was buying rare motors worth something.
Now he is confused and angry not knowing how to tell the guy he hasīnt a clue and sold him rubbish.
Buyer beware, everytime.
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I've always worked by the principal that it's the buyers responsibility to verify all and to trust NOTHING. Mentors included. Hell, the old dude might not have known what was up, either. Might have thought he was selling you good parts. But I doubt it. Likely as not, he saw a trusting face and just flat took advantage of you.

But why- during all this- didn't you ever price anything? How did you come to the conclusion- without looking up the parts or going online to see what the value is- of what to pay, or if his prices were in line w/reality?

For me, it's hard to imagine just taking some guy's word for EVERYTHING w/o checking ANY values of the parts he was claiming to be Ram Air this or that... especially if the engines/parts were more than a couple hundred bucks. But then again, I wasn't there, nor do I know how the relationship developed. I can see trusting someone, possibly too much. It's a shame...

If you give the details, casting numbers, etc. we will give you a rundown of what you have. Maybe it's not as bad as you think... Or maybe it's worse- but at least you'll know.

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Some lessons we all learn the hard way. Everyone at some time or another was misled by someone. You learn from it and move on, smarter but unfortunately less trusting of people.
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No sense in saying anything to him because he sounds like a cheat and probably doesn't have much of a conscience! You've learned a valuable lesson like most of us have at one time or another!!!!CR
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Maybe Cobalt said it correctly.. One has to take responsibility to check prices on various things before we dig deep into the jeans.. so to speak. Maybe look back on this as, at least someone cared enough to teach you stuff rather than you sitting in front of a screen, or a drinkin' and smokin' your way into oblivion..
Go onto a Pontiac Board e.g. PY on Line and see what stuff is selling for now-a-days.. Just gotta find the right buyer who is into your stuff. Google part numbers and you might get a suprise.. Carbs from the late 60s to 70s have value especially to a collector. Don't knock your stuff until you take the responsibility to find out what you have.. DO NOT listen to others who might just be putting your stuff down for reasons unknown only to themselves..
Maybe the guy was a person who honestly believed he had great engines/parts and had taken it upon himself to impart his knowledge to you..
Can't really put a dollar value on that stuff.
Maybe your parents should've stepped in and had a talk with him as they possibly could've seen something that in your youth, you didn't..
Maybe PM Creech and give him numbers and suffix codings and dates.
Do not knock yerself, lotsa people around that'll do it for you free of charge.
In years to come you might just be happy someone took the time out to show you something.. Could not have been all bad!!
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He doesn't have to PM me, he can put them up right here, if he'd rather.
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Count me in also.. Be glad to help you out with numbers 'n codes..
Don't listen to people who say your stuff is worth nullo. Been there, done that, and was sorry I let stuff go at less than market value..
Have a friend who let a small trailer load of 2nd Gennie parts i.e. Camaro and Firebird go to a guy who never bothered to pay for the stuff. Jus' took the stuff and dat was dat.. My Bud figured it was worth next to nothing..
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I`ve said this so many times it makes my head hurt, but I should stop, as it can`t get out to everyone, and some just don`t pay it any attention.
First Rule In Buying Anything:
Always Do Your Homework First!
If you don`t do your homework your asking to get took.
I`ve seen I don`t know how many people get taken and I can`t feel sorry for them because it`s there own fault. If you don`t know what your buying how do you know it is what your being told it is?
This falls under the classic word "Tradition" which is, trust and honesty.
Tradition is BS in that respect, why? You just found out why, you trusted this person and believed in his honesty. Trust and honesty in todays world are very difficult to come by. Trust is NOT GIVEN! it`s EARNED!
Look on ebay, you`ll find plenty of scams, such as the guy selling a set of
"1968 camaro Z28 302 DZ heads"
They were a set of camel back 186 castings with 1.94 intake, 1.50 exhaust valves.
These same heads did come on the 302, but only with 2.02 intake, 1.60 exhaust valves. Guys were bidding like crazy on these heads, the last time I checked the bid was over $700 and it still had days to go. The heads were shot and needed another $500 invested to be useable.
Next is the Vortec head scam. Guys will take swirl port heads and say they are vortec heads just because the valve covers say "Vortec"
It don`t take 5 minutes to do a search and find out the casting numbers of Vortec heads, or to find out what makes them unique to older castings.
So you got taken by a older gentleman and your upset because your so young. I hate to say it, and i`m not trying to be mean, I`m just being honest, the only person you have to blame is yourself. Let it be a lesson.
Always Do Your Homework! Know What Your Buying!
Never trust anybody, let them earn it.
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