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Old 01-31-2012, 08:12 PM
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need a pic of the whole door. looks like the door needs to come up. from what i see it is low front and back. and brian is right. forget bending the door.
here more picture mr shine
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He's joking, I assume.

If you were going to fill it something like Everglass would be what you would use in my opinion. But maybe Shine wasn't joking and he will explain.

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here mor pict of the hood mr brian
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yes the hinge pin are good no play at all, but i guess the bottom hinge could be bent some how. the door closes nice and smooth but just stick out at the bottom front and back. here is a couple of photos that might help you to help me. do you have any photo of your hood i am having problems with it also. please help all you can. thanks
I have to tell you, I think you can rob Peter to pay Paul on this thing and get it a lot closer. You have a LITTLE bit of wiggle room here. Your door is a tad low at the body line, or even. It most certainly isn't too high. What this means is you can make it too high, by just a tad. You then will have the upper fitting not perfect, but the bottom may be way better. Being the bottom of the door curves in, if it goes up, this gap you have is going to close up, just as if you were to move the door IN at the bottom, moving it up will do the exact same thing. The front at the body line also looks like it could be IN a little too much. Again, if you were to bring that OUT, it would bring the OPPOSITE corner which is the bottom rear, IN. They fit kinda funky there at that body line in the front of the door from the factory but I think yours is in a little too much.

This would all be a delicate balancing act to get it fitting the "bestest" all the way around instead of fitting the "Best" at the top and "crap" at the bottom.

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On your hood, I still say those fenders need to be spread, that is all there is to it.

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I would agree that the front of the fenders is too narrow for your hood. Hopefully you still have the fender braces in place from the firewall to the fenders. That is where you will need to make the adjustment however to make everything fit the best you will need to loosen all the hardward securing the various panels all the way back to the fender to cowl connection.

One of the most common mistakes made when putting an AD back together is the initial alignment of the cab. Not necessarily side to side but its pitch forward. I had this problem when I first put my 54 back together. I had the cab pitched up in the front which caused the hood lip, grill, fender fitment to be off.

The rear cab mounts are a shackle config with rubber bushings. If these have not been replaced they should be.

There should also be a few metal shims between the floor of the cab and the rear shackles. To shim it properly you need to put a level on the frame and one of the top of the rockers and shim them to match the level of the frame.

The front cab mount also requires a rubber shim/pad under it. Make sure that is in place before leveling the cab.

Once the cab is aligned you and then start the fitting of the front sheetmetal.
Everything should be loose at this point but not to the point of flopping around. Unbolt the top of the hood hinge springs from the hood and lower it but remove the latch plate in the radiator shroud first.

Then use a pry bar under the core support and move it to see if the front of the hood lines up with the fender fronts. You may need to shim under the core support to get the correct height. Be careful about the side to side alignment also. Measure the distance from the outside of the tires to the fender lip on each side.

Once things are close then start snugging down the hardware but do not torque them in place until all is as close as it can get.

It will never be perfect. You will have to accept that going in. If you want a show truck panel fitment on this type of truck you will have to do a whole lot more to the panels themselves.

If you do have one then you need get the factory assembly manual. It has diagrams of the stock dimensions and other information like weather stripping installation that you will need.
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Good point there Houston, we never established if the cab was straight!

The 49 I don't believe has the shackle rear body mounts, I believe that was in 50 or 51 though. But yes, making sure that the cab is level with the frame is what we should have started with, good catch.

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Has there been a patch panel put on the bottom of your doors I was going to suggest an ajustment that i did on my 54 to line up panels but it looks like in the picture the door doesnt have the right shape I read your post on your hood alignment there is alot of trial an error here I shemed the inner finder at the rad support to get mine to line up the way I wanted it to. Ron
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Has there been a patch panel put on the bottom of your doors I was going to suggest an ajustment that i did on my 54 to line up panels but it looks like in the picture the door doesnt have the right shape I read your post on your hood alignment there is alot of trial an error here I shemed the inner finder at the rad support to get mine to line up the way I wanted it to. Ron
yes there has been a bottom patch put on. and do u mean u shimmed between the radiator support and the inner fenders. what happen to the grill did u have to do something with it also. how much did u have to shim. the top holes in the radiator support or inner fender had to be redrilled right
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I would agree that the front of the fenders is too narrow for your hood. Hopefully you still have the fender braces in place from the firewall to the fenders. That is where you will need to make the adjustment however to make everything fit the best you will need to loosen all the hardward securing the various panels all the way back to the fender to cowl connection.

One of the most common mistakes made when putting an AD back together is the initial alignment of the cab. Not necessarily side to side but its pitch forward. I had this problem when I first put my 54 back together. I had the cab pitched up in the front which caused the hood lip, grill, fender fitment to be off.

The rear cab mounts are a shackle config with rubber bushings. If these have not been replaced they should be.

There should also be a few metal shims between the floor of the cab and the rear shackles. To shim it properly you need to put a level on the frame and one of the top of the rockers and shim them to match the level of the frame.

The front cab mount also requires a rubber shim/pad under it. Make sure that is in place before leveling the cab.

Once the cab is aligned you and then start the fitting of the front sheetmetal.
Everything should be loose at this point but not to the point of flopping around. Unbolt the top of the hood hinge springs from the hood and lower it but remove the latch plate in the radiator shroud first.

Then use a pry bar under the core support and move it to see if the front of the hood lines up with the fender fronts. You may need to shim under the core support to get the correct height. Be careful about the side to side alignment also. Measure the distance from the outside of the tires to the fender lip on each side.

Once things are close then start snugging down the hardware but do not torque them in place until all is as close as it can get.

It will never be perfect. You will have to accept that going in. If you want a show truck panel fitment on this type of truck you will have to do a whole lot more to the panels themselves.

If you do have one then you need get the factory assembly manual. It has diagrams of the stock dimensions and other information like weather stripping installation that you will need.
do u have pictures of your truck
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I have the truck back apart painting it now it was not enough that the grill didnt fit back ok,when I was mocking it up however that was the original grille. Will be putting a new china grille when I put it back together for the final time Thats a wait see how that goes. There is a way to fix your doors but its going to take some surgery.
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I have the truck back apart painting it now it was not enough that the grill didnt fit back ok,when I was mocking it up however that was the original grille. Will be putting a new china grille when I put it back together for the final time Thats a wait see how that goes. There is a way to fix your doors but its going to take some surgery.
ok talk to me pal sound like u done it before. sound like u and i need to talk on the phone
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I helped a friend of mine with his '52 cowl panel. The problem was the off-set where panel fits the door frame, it's too shallow and we had to shim that area. I have a '51 that needs to the rear cab corners replaced and the off-set is also too shallow.
You can't bring todays fitment standards back to 1950. Back then "Close enough" was good.
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do u have pictures of your truck
There are some pictures in my photo album link in the top right corner of this frame and here is a link to another group of pictures.

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/albu...ser/houston-54
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There are some pictures in my photo album link in the top right corner of this frame and here is a link to another group of pictures.

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thanks a lot. that really helped my hood looks just like yours so i guess it is pretty close. what about the doors what kind of plan did you have
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:00 AM
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Mostly it is try and try again until YOU are satisfied. Most of the techiques already discussed apply. Each truck is different and all we can do from here is offer suggestions. You will have to keep working it until it is solved.

The ulitmate solution may be to cut the lower cowl panel loose and reset it. That would fix the door and more than likely help the hood fitment as the fender attaches to the cowl and sets its first point of alignment.

As I also mentioned if you do not have the factory assembly and shop manuals for that truck you need to obtain them. They will help answer many of the questions you are asking.
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