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Alright I'm going to painting my firebird black in a BC/CC in a couple weeks, the cars being media blasted and I'm going to start putting the body filler on pretty quick, this is going to be my first BC/CC job and I am going to be doing it in my garage. I just want a nice gloss black paint job on it, Dupont's chroma system is what I am going to be using with a high fill primer, I want to use a good high fill primer by Dupont, do you guys think that you guys could give me all the part numbers of the products that I am going to need, I don't know a lot about BC/CC so that would be a big help since I am ordering it all through Napa and the guys there have no clue about paint, I just want to order everything I need primer it block it and spray the BC/CC, I don't need a show quality finish out of it.

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I can't help you with the numbers, but I thought that NAPA sold SW or Martin Senour paint? Personally, if I was going to paint something Black, and not a metalic color, I would go with the SPI products. Easier on your wallet, and great quality products. It sounds like you will have little or no tech support locally, and everything will have to be ordered anyway. Atleast you could get plenty of help, either here, from the SPI forum, or from Barryk. I would also spray it with epoxy immediatly, before applying any filler or other primer.

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I can't help you with the numbers, but I thought that NAPA sold SW or Martin Senour paint? Personally, if I was going to paint something Black, and not a metalic color, I would go with the SPI products. Easier on your wallet, and great quality products. It sounds like you will have little or no tech support locally, and everything will have to be ordered anyway. Atleast you could get plenty of help, either here, from the SPI forum, or from Barryk. I would also spray it with epoxy immediatly, before applying any filler or other primer.

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Thanks for the info, I'm in Canada so maybe the Napa here only carry's it, I'm friends with a guy that works there and he gets me good deals on the paint so I kinda want to get it from there

And one more thing I forgot to add is that I don't plan on wet sanding the clear.
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If you have to buy Dupont use ChromaPremiere Super Jet Black basecoat. If you want the same quality at only 25% of the price go with SPI.
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I totally agree, for a basic black paint job SPI is definitely the way to go and save a bundle of $$$$.

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If you have to buy Dupont use ChromaPremiere Super Jet Black basecoat. If you want the same quality at only 25% of the price go with SPI.
I just looked at the super jet black on Dupont's site and that looks like what I want to use. What kind of primer do you think I should use?

Oh and the car also have the flexible bumpers on it to so I'm so I think im going to need some kind of an additive?
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I'd use SPI from start to finish. The last time I bought the Super Jet Black my cost was $75 per quart+ basemaker. Do yourself a favor and check out SPI: Southern Polyurethanes Inc.
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Why are you not planning on wet sanding the clear? How do you intend to get a smooth gloss finish?

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Why are you not planning on wet sanding the clear? How do you intend to get a smooth gloss finish?

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It will still have a glossy finish, it just won’t look perfect, I think it's just going to be a big pain in the *** sanding and buffing.
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Checy_Guy,

Of course it a pain in the *** to do all the sanding, buffing, etc. That's why folks with experience always say to not do your own paint and body work unless you're willing to put in the time. I have a feeling that after you get done painting and see how much orange peel you have, you'll be breaking out the sanding pads and water buckets. Then again, we all have different standards, and maybe you and your friend will be satisfied.

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Of course it a pain in the *** to do all the sanding, buffing, etc. That's why folks with experience always say to not do your own paint and body work unless you're willing to put in the time. I have a feeling that after you get done painting and see how much orange peel you have, you'll be breaking out the sanding pads and water buckets. Then again, we all have different standards, and maybe you and your friend will be satisfied.

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Yeah I probably will if it looks like ****, but if it looks alright ill just leave it
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Cool. Post to the forum when you're done.

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Cool. Post to the forum when you're done.

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yeah ill do that
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All right I was on Dupont's site and this is what I am thinking of using.

Base Coat:
DuPont™ G9900S™ Super Jet Black Basecoat
ChromaPremier® 12305S™ Activator
Basemaker® 7175S™ - Mid Temp Activater-Reducer

Clear Coat:
DuPont™ ChromaPremier® 72500S
ChromaPremier® 12375S™ Medium Reducer

There are two types of activator for the clear and I can’t find out what the difference is between them?
ChromaPremier® 12303S™ Production Activator
ChromaPremier® 12305S™ Activator

And as for the primer I want to use a Dupont high fill and I'm not sure which one would work best for me? can I just spray the high fill over the bare metal and body filler then spray the base coat or is there something ells I should be doing?

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I went back and read your first post again. You said that you're doing it in your garage, and want a nice gloss black finish. You later said that you won't be sanding and buffing. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you likely won't get the first, without the second. If it is your first BC/CC job, you will most likely end up with some orange peel and/or runs in atleast the clear. You will most likely also end up with trash in the paint. WHy would you go thru that much work and expense, and not be willing to go the extra step to make it a good job?

Wet sanding and buffing a car after painting it is a PIA. So What! Sanding is a pain, as well as masking, cleaning up before painting, and cleaning after painting. Although you may get a good feeling while you are spraying, there is a lot of hard work ahead of you. Deciding up front that a certain part is a PIA, and that you aren't going to do it, is a recipe for disaster.

I originally suggested using the SPI products as a way for you to get a superior product, that will give you a super looking job for alot less money. If you are afraid of the work, I personally would rather that you stick with your plan, and use the more expensive Dupont. Not that it will give you the results that you want, becasue it won't. It will simply mean that you won't be able to blame the SPI products for your poor finish.

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