[iburke]

Goldbird go to edelbrocks web site and down load the tune procedure for your carb.. order a jet kit for 49.95 and tune away. the procedure is simple and only takes a screw driver and a stopwatch....or it can be done at the strip. A lot less than $250 for a dyno and a lot more fun. If you want to get real serious spend 100 bucksor so and install a wideband O2 sensor and fuel to air meter.... (stoich)

[xntrik]

[QUOTE=67 Deuce 4 Me]As a auto technician I totally agree.

As far as ASE goes my own personal thoughts are is that being ASE certified means your able to study a book and pass a test and thats it. I think its a money racket. IMHO. Ed Cannon........ ASE Master tech.[/QUOTE]

Thanks ED.
Cool stated some important logic, too.


Steve/ I DID NOT SAY that ALL ASE mechanics are incompetant and thieves. So why do you guys take it personally?

I said in # 5..... quote

"We have created a society of parts replacers. ASE techs are taught to read gauges and swap parts. Very little dianostic understanding is necessary. Ethics and honesty are long gone from most shops. Ancient techniques such as carburetors are dying with the old timers who have gone into seclusion........Finding ethical and knowledgeable technicians is a trick in itself. Look for an old guy under a backyard garage roof." end- quote

Generally, shops would rather hire a kid with the piece of paper than someone who can actually do the work because the kid will work for half the money and install tons of stuff in his quest for a repair = more money for the shop.

Let me ask you. Have you, STEVE, and do you know several other people who have taken their vehicles into ASE shops for repair and $ 800 later it still isn't fixed and the shop still wants their money as they tell you to take it somewhere else?

You can take it personally and argue forever, but that won't make it untrue.

Yesterday on another thread I commented about a 93 Mustang GT that had a old style short rotor inside the big distributor cap (1/2+ inch spark gap). Seven shops including Ford could not find his miss. I did, in less than 3 minutes. And yes, I kind of enjoy people seeking me out under my shade tree to fix the stuff the shops cannot.

That is the beauty of this website. Learning from all the mistakes of others makes your mind open to possibilites when a situation is encountered.

Improvise, adapt, overcome. Semper Fi.

[1931 steve]

This will be my last post on this because you are right we could argue for ever.

Steve/ I DID NOT SAY that ALL ASE mechanics are incompetent and thieves. So why do you guys take it personally?

You certainly did not specify that you were not talking about all ASE techs. I take it very personally, I make my living and support my family from turning my wrenches as a ASE tech. So yes I do take it personally.....

Generally, shops would rather hire a kid with the piece of paper than someone who can actually do the work because the kid will work for half the money and install tons of stuff in his quest for a repair = more money for the shop.

You are wrong about this, Most shops NOT ALL would rather hire a very good experienced auto tech over a young kid. The problem is that the younger guy is the only one out there to hire. (have to start somewhere).
A shop will make more money off a good experienced tech any day of the week. The only place he wouldn't would be in a quick lube lane...

Let me ask you. Have you, STEVE, and do you know several other people who have taken their vehicles into ASE shops for repair and $ 800 later it still isn't fixed and the shop still wants their money as they tell you to take it somewhere else?

No, I have never nor do I know anybody that has. MOST of the time when things like this happen there are more reasons for it than the customer is willing to tell. I know at my shop if we or I cant fix it I will not charge for the attempted repair. But if it is the customer that does not want to spend any more money or for any other reasons that they don't want to go further, by all means I will charge them. All cars can be fixed, it's just if the customer is willing to spend the money to do so. JMHO.


Good find on the mustang rotor, Most of the problems that get overlooked is just that, overlooked. Yes they are some shops out there that just cant fix a car, it is a shame. but it wont take long for that shop or that auto tech to get a bad name and go away.

So I will end MY side of this conversation with this.
I am a ASE Certified tech and very proud of it, I take much pride in the fact that I can repair just about any car that comes in my doors. As in any industries out there, they are a few bad apples, but that doesn't mean all the apples are bad

Steve