Please dont use my words in a negative context. I was not referring to any specific brand of carburetor, but alluding to the idea if I was smart enough to design my own carburetor, that could out perform anything else on the market.

Why do the BG carbs have a bad rep for being hard to tune if they are considered a modified Holley?

But it fit soo well with what i was trying to say! And actually that "superdiscombobulated" Q-jet is my #2 choice among carbs with holley being my #1 choice. NOT b/c BGs aren't the best out there, but rather the price keeps them from being the best for ME, at least until prices change( and with a product that good they will probably not decrease much in price )

But, hey Tech@BG, you know if you want to shoot one of those ol' "used dyno carbs" over this way...

BG has gone through alot of trouble to back up his company, and I think it is awesome. This is just awesome responce and surely proves to me that they are out to do the right thing when it comes to backing their product. Really just blows me away.

To those who will never believe, I dont know what to say. If edlebrock tuned theirs and BG theirs on an independent dyno, someone would still cry fowl.

I think most people are conviced......I already was. Would be great to see a scan on the dyno pulls if you can produce them. It would likely hush some people up.

Chris

NXS, you go boy.
Actually the term emplies being the latest, trickest, most super refined and advanced whatever you are referring to.
Ya got to go back to a 50's rodding vernacular dictionary to find that one.

Tech@BG, gotta give you a tip of the hat for you standing behind your product. Keep up the good work.

Ditto with NXS. I have been itching to get my hands on one of those babys, but the price is just a killer when I can rebuild a holley for much less and it performs very well. I will take one of those used dyno carbs when you start shipping them out

Chris

To BG Tech, It was NOT my intention to "slam" you or your product, dont get me wrong-- I like BG carbs, I just like Holleys better. I went back and thought about your earlier testing and frankly, I dont dispute your results--- just your comparison. Richness and leaness of a carb is relative to many facters----all carbs work because of basic physics which cannot be changed. Testing a VS street carb at a .56" Hg pressure drop to a racing carb is an unfair and misleading comparison. Racing engines are running at nearly 100% VE, street engs 70- 80 maybe. If you test a brand H Dominator or King Demon with over 2.00" throttles and 1.82" venturis at the same pressure they are reaching for 1100-1200 CFM with huge fuel flows, use alcohol and you must flow nearly 2x as much as gas. I would not compare them to a 770 VS either but I guess they would be "richer." If you do not understand carburetion or high perf engine tuning it does not matter what brand of carb you buy, you might have some problems. I will give you credit for coming here and sharing info about your product, I hope I have cleared up any misunderstanding.

Guys,

Thank you for your comments. This would be as close of an apples to apples test as you can realistically get within the parameters. That being a mild street engine and using the carburetor that each manufacture would use. We are not trying to say anything negative about Edelbrock® or anyone else’s products; we just believe that we have a better product. We also feel that dollar for dollar we have the best product on the market, and when you compare prices we’re very competitive with, and in many circumstances less expensive than the comparable carburetor from Holley® or any other manufacture.


Walt,

We did not take what you said as a slam. You are correct that a race engine will be more efficient than a street engine, but if you run both carburetors on the same street engine it should be the same. Putting that aside, the test that we ran in this test would be a street calibrated carburetor vs. a street calibrated carburetor on a street engine. As far as a Dominator® vs. a King Demon™ we generally see comparable results. Usually 10 to 15 more HP and using less fuel.

First let me be clear that I have no doubt that the test was conducted fairly and the BC dusted the Edelbrock on full power pulls.
Second, from what I have been told by experienced folks whose opinions I respect, the Eldebrock carburetors are the best choice for a "daily driver" (I'm happy with mine) and the Holley/BGs are best for full-tilt boogie race applications.
I would like to see, however, a test done using a Holley against the BG - THAT would be apples to apples rather than Granny Smith apples to Washington State apples.
Just some food for thought with no malice intended.
Charlie Smith

why do people argue like this, when they know it already. mr edelbrock already said that when it comes to performance nothing can out perform a holley stile carb. people like the old carter and comparible carbs but when it is all about performance holley carbs cant be beat. out of the box or tuned. plus you ford guys should be happy dint holleys originate on fords.

It seems to be very common knowledge that Holley/BG style carbs make the power. Something that is interesting to note is that Techie said that the BGs were using less fuel than the comparable Edelbrock... which would lead one to think they produce better fuel economy and easier drive-ability.

Something else interesting to note is that it seems as if the Edelbrock intakes work better than the Holley intakes...when there are no moving parts and some designs look very similar. Why?

Tech@BG,
Why do the BG carbs have a bad rep for being hard to tune if they are considered a modified Holley? Are they more sensative due to the modifications made? What gives? And yes, your carbs are top notch.

Had I know more about them when it was time to ditch the 750 Holley, I would have looked very seriously at 1563010VE, 1563020VE. I ended up the the Holley 80531, and I still changed out the pump cam from a pink to a green, and put in 4.5 power valves . At THIS price, it is the same as to what I paid for the Holley. Oh well, maybe next time. Just have other priorities now.

How about a test vs. a performance calibrated quadrajet? or a Thermoquad?

If you know what you are doing with any of these carburetors, they can be very tough to beat.

Very cool thread. I'm sure the BG carbs are a fine product.

My fifteen dollar thermoquads I have used are very fine also.

There are many ways to skin a cat.

I prefer to do it as cheap as I can.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wildman926
[B]Tech@BG,
Why do the BG carbs have a bad rep for being hard to tune if they are considered a modified Holley? Are they more sensative due to the modifications made? What gives? And yes, your carbs are top notch.

Wildman926,


We build our carburetors more specifically than our competitors do. We offer many different series of carburetors with calibrations from mild to wild, street to strip, naturally aspirated or supercharged. Where the problem generally comes in to play is that people purchase either too large of a carburetor, or the wrong series of carburetor. This can lead to poor adjustability, and performance. Now combine that with the fact that the majority of people today are not familiar with tuning a carburetor.

When the proper size and series of carburetor is used, we’ll put our carburetors up against anybody’s in the industry.

"Now combine that with the fact that the majority of people today are not familiar with tuning a carburetor. "

LOL!! I did not take that into consideration. Something that is considered archaic and mundane, is actually a complicated invention, if you do not understand all the pieces of the puzzle. With all the computer and electronics, fuel injection, etc., in todays world, it gets people spoiled and lazy to learn the basics. So when you throw a carb at them, they are lost. LOL....Good one...