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e46 m3 smg style shifter for 700r4

I am getting my 700r4 (detente cable) prepped while I am waiting on parts for my 333ci sbc. I am looking for a shifter that shifts as much like the e46 m3 smg II shifter. I am not too familiar with ratchet shifters and gated shifters etc. As far as what is available. I am also looking for a quality manual valve body that can also be put into drive as well as be manually shifted, again LIKE the smg shifter. I am fully aware that the 700r4 is not an electrohydraulic manual transmission. I like that it has sequential mode where the driver can only upshift or downshift by one gear at a time. I would just like the option to put the vehicle in drive.

This is intended for a road race car.

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Best video I could find of a smg being shifted with pedals (and my preference) the base stick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhKCb...eature=related

The stick is slapped up and slapped down, for sequential shifts (1 gear at a time).
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I would suggest a ratchet type shifter, full manual shift valve body with static main line pressure. Keeps it simple, no TV cable needed

The gear ratio spread in the 700r4 trans you want to use seem to not be correct for a road racer
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I will be at BIR mostly this year. Lots of high speed turns. Hence the 700r.

http://www.brainerdraceway.com/

Is there a particular ratchet shifter you would recommend?

"static main line pressure" ? I am not a huge auto trans guy, I come from rally racing. So American automatic transmissions are a bit of a nuance for me.
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Static or Fixed Max. Line pressure. Sometimes called Constant Pressure Valvebody by TCI etc..
Normal 7004R Trans uses a TV/ThrottleValve Cable to control Line Pr., it's proportionate to the Carbs' throttle opening.
Fixed Line Pr. Mod for 2004R >> http://www.jakesperformance.com/200-4R_Tricks.html
Lonnie @ Extreme Automatics also has a Valvebody with fixed Max Pr. in 1st 2nd & 3rd and variable TV Pr. in 4th/OD gear. Good for Drag racing with street use. Takes the constant load off the Pump.

I'm using a Kilduff shifter, you can customize it how & with what features you want. It also works as a Detent or Ratchet shifter. Very strong Shifter.
There's a video showing the operation.
http://www.kilduffmachine.com/

A 2004R Trans has better gear spread. Mainly 1st to 2nd gear ratios.

Trans------- 1st--- 2nd--- 3rd--- 4th Gear
TH200-4R--- 2.74-- 1.57-- 1.00-- 0.67
TH700-R4--- 3.06-- 1.62-- 1.00-- 0.70
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The constant pressure valve body you speak of, does it have engine breaking?

I would need that for auto cross. Also I already have the 700r4 staring at me in the face. I hear you about the 200r but I am using what I have for now. If the 700r gos out I will probably switch over.
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I think it does, check with TCI to be sure tho'. http://www.tciauto.com/tc/valve-bodi...-pressure.html

They also have full Manual shift Vbodies w/Braking.
http://www.tciauto.com/tc/700-r4-ful...e-braking.html
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i would want a valved body that i can put in drive, reverse manually shift, and have Constant Pressure, with engine breaking If i can find that even better.

Thanks guys for the advice.

Btw what usually breaks in these things that I need to replace internally?
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A 'Beast Sun Shell' should be used.
The 3-4 Clutches need attention, the Raybestos 'Blue Plate Specials' are the best fix for this. Part# RCPBP-21 includes RCPBP-04 3-4 clutches.

The 87-92/93 are the best year Trans cores to build.
Dana @Pro Built can put a good build kit together for you > http://www.700r4l60e.com/
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I am not sure what the year is. It is a detente cable style that came out of a 3/4 ton cube van (the big guy). I will go take a look at what I have again tomorrow. Its been a long work day for me, lots of crap cars in Hopkins Mn.

I also had to deal with Jegs today, Pierre was very professional but I got called by 4 other Jegs people trying to figure out my order. I ordered a set of 195cc heads on Friday (Jegs loaded heads), I should see them by Friday I will start a thread with pics on those as soon as I get them.

Beast sun shell?

when you say 3-4 clutches to mean the clutches between 3 and 4?

I should be making in the range of 500hp at 7k(rpm) and low 400-450 tq from 4k-6800rpmish. So I am curious if this will be able to take that kind of abuse.

Will update tomorrow hope to hear from you guys soon.
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3rd & 4th gear use the same clutch pack, when the Trans shifts to 4th the 2-4 Band applies to Overdrive 3rd = 4th gear.
The 2-4 Band is applied in 2nd & 4th gear.

It should hold up if built correctly. Finding someone to build it correctly is the difficult part.
Beast >> http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...-035823ahd.htm
Also the wide Carbon lined Band is best.
http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...-35995hepb.htm

Most Builders prefer to use another Trans above 500 HP/TQ. A few Builders claim they're able to handle 700 HP.

http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...arts_s/641.htm
http://www.makcotransmissionparts.com/4L60-700R4.html
https://www.wittrans.com/Schematic.a...smission=700R4
http://www.ckperformance.com/resourc...R4CATALOG.html
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3rd & 4th gear use the same clutch pack, when the Trans shifts to 4th the 2-4 Band applies to Overdrive 3rd = 4th gear.
The 2-4 Band is applied in 2nd & 4th gear.

It should hold up if built correctly. Finding someone to build it correctly is the difficult part.
Beast >> http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...-035823ahd.htm
Also the wide Carbon lined Band is best.
http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...-35995hepb.htm

Most Builders prefer to use another Trans above 500 HP/TQ. A few Builders claim they're able to handle 700 HP.

http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/...arts_s/641.htm
http://www.makcotransmissionparts.com/4L60-700R4.html
https://www.wittrans.com/Schematic.a...smission=700R4
http://www.ckperformance.com/resourc...R4CATALOG.html
an aftermarket trans is not an option. also when i said 500 that will be at the crank not at the ground.
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I called chris over at ck - great guy btw. I got quoted $1250 (tax shipping bla bla bla) for a custom made valve body and governor with a master (600hp) kit that they would put together for me. I think I am going to use that. He also was saying the same stuff you were about the parts etc that need replacing etc. So he sounds reputable new his stuff off hand etc. He also said because I would be getting a plate and a valve body that the year of the trans doesn't matter.

as for a shifter goes he said to google winters performance or maverick performance. I think i am going to go with a b&m pro ratchet - i can't really find anything better.

Chris can be reached at 631-218-1048 (thick boston accident btw)

will update soon.
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