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Old 08-24-2008, 09:20 PM
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My apologies to Eaton Corporation, I will hang on to their stock. Have to investigate if I have some of the "psychopathic management" Eaton Compressor stock.

Seems to be a rather common malady these days for upper management to act like criminals, left my last job for just this very reason.

Eaton Compressor's new building in Ohio - more controversy.

The above posting is definitely a must read! Page three is where it gets juicy.

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Old 08-25-2008, 06:58 AM
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I would suspect Mr. Cain will be logging in soon. Based on his posts on the Ohio site, he has no problem expressing himself on a public forum.

Hopefully he will come on board and give us the truth about which components are made in China or elsewhere.
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We need to find out what components are made in China, so maybe we can debunk the 60% rule. Find out if the major components come from outside the USA.

Jason

This may have been discussed here already I skipped a few posts on my way out the door this morning. But I wonder if the "60%" rule is based on a componant count, so if 60% of the componants are made here, it is American. Or if there is some "60%" of the weight, or "area" of the componants?

It could be that it "was" the "Componants" and they argued that the biggest part of the compressor, say the tank, is made here then they should be given a pass and make it "American Made"?

Just thinking....

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I read the FTC Compliance ruling and I did not see where it stated 60% is the cut off.
From the link:
Traditionally, the Commission has required that a product advertised as Made in USA be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. After a comprehensive review of Made in USA and other U.S. origin claims in product advertising and labeling, the Commission announced in December 1997 that it would retain the "all or virtually all" standard.
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I didn't see the "60%" figure on the FTC page either. Interestingly, the page does use a "60% US content" label as an example of a qualified "Made in the USA" claim.

It appears to not be a concretely-defined bright-line rule, which means that a resourceful lawyer will be able to make use of a lot of wiggle room in defending a product as "Made in the USA".

Mr. Cain told me that the percentage is calculated as part of the total cost of bringing a product to market, including things like, say, the cost of advertising the product. By this logic (and no, I don't consider Mr. Cain to be credible, honest, or logical), you could conceivably have a product that is 100% manufactured in China, but whose total cost includes promotional and advertising costs that comprise, say, 65% of the full cost of bringing the product to the market. By that reasoning, a product could actually be 100% "manufactured" in China, but, because of creative percentage-calculation, it could be marketed as "Made in the USA". It's because of how they're spinning the word "made".

I suspect that any "Made in the USA" claims that are challenged by the federal government are interpreted differently on a district-to-district basis, and you'd probably have to talk to a lawyer who specializes in such issues to get an idea of how it really plays out.

I must admit that, prior to this run-in with Cain and his lawyer, I naively assumed that a "Made in the USA" label meant something that, apparently, it does not.
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How does assembled in USA with parts manfactured in China measure up?
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How does assembled in USA with parts manfactured in China measure up?
Henry,

You ever buy something from IKEA?

That's how.

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Read this

http://scrantonpoliticaltimes.active...picID=20092071

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City Councilwoman Judy Gatelli can't force Joseph Pilchesky to name users of his Web site unless she is able to prove she was defamed, an attorney for the anonymous online commenters argued this morning in Lackawanna County Court.

The hearing was a continuation of a lawsuit that began more than a year ago between Mrs. Gatelli and Mr. Pilchesky, who moderates a Web site often critical of City Hall and Mayor Chris Doherty's administration.

After Mr. Pilchesky filed a defamation suit against Mrs. Gatelli in April 2007, the councilwoman countered with a suit of her own and demanded him to reveal identities of posters so she could bring civil action against them as well.

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Old 08-25-2008, 10:46 AM
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SixPack...Please read the Hotrodders guidelines ( http://www.hotrodders.com/help/board/copy-pasting.html )on copy pasteing...its not allowed you can post a link however. And...it was a good read.
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SixPackR/T -- good find, I've "snippeted" the text in your post, and kept the link intact so people can read the full story.

I've also just sent an email to Mr. Cain and his lawyer, Richard Miller, formally inviting them to participate in this discussion. I think they should get an opportunity to offer an explanation, before we put this on the front page of Hotrodders.com. I just checked Google, and searches for "Balyeat, Leahy, Daley, & Miller" (the name of Mr. Cain's lawyer's law firm) are turning up this discussion in the #3 position today.

HH -- no idea how that one measures up. I imagine it's quite complicated, and we'd probably need an experienced lawyer to break it down for us. If anything, this issue has demonstrated what we don't know, and it's reinforced what is emerging as a Golden Rule for us: "Never trust a marketer".
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Sounds to me like this guy and StreetBeastOpsMan could be twins. They both like to threaten legal action and they both act like they have an IQ in single digits. Go figure.....
You just had to drag him in on this one...
Makes me wonder what kind of Compressor SB uses though. The old "Birds of a feather"...

Keep us posted Jon.
On another note I bought something from Edlebrock, the box says "Made in the USA" Inside the fuel pump had a Made In China sticker on it.
Maybe the box was made in the US?
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I just checked Google, and searches for "Balyeat, Leahy, Daley, & Miller" (the name of Mr. Cain's lawyer's law firm) are turning up this discussion in the #3 position today.
What is the purpose of pointing out this fact?

Enquiring minds...

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Old 08-25-2008, 02:39 PM
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What is the purpose of pointing out this fact?

Enquiring minds...

Jay K.
Posted it to demonstrate that this issue isn't being "buried", simply because the mainstream press isn't covering it. We have a voice, our voice is being heard, and it's bringing attention to the fact that those involved in this debacle (including Mr. Cain and his lawyer) are being called to task for their actions.

Mr. Cain initiated these threats because our discussion of Eaton compressors was turning up #3 in Google for searches for "Eaton compressor". In a fitting stroke of irony, the law firm whose lawyer is backing Eaton is now in the exact same position.
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Grrrrrrreat - another good name appears to be headed to China and some more Harbor Freight quality junk hitting the market as Made in USA.

Heck - the presumptive Democrat Party candidate even says that China is doing better then the US : http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/2...o-do-business/

View the You Tube clip enclosed on that site - this man has not a clue

So with that said, we absolutely should buy Made in China products, even Eaton compressors, especially since this was uttered by such an august individual (is this what he means by 'change')

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We need to find out what components are made in China, so maybe we can debunk the 60% rule. Find out if the major components come from outside the USA.

Jason
Ditto. I prefer American made products to help keep the jobs that are left here, here, regardless of the quality of the Chinese product. I feel it's my patriotic duty But, I won't consider buying an Eaton Compressor (appears different than the Eaton supercharger compressors) anytime for both the china thing, and for being another Corky Coker.
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