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To clarify, Mr. Cain didn't contact me to "discover the nature of the post". He threatened me with a lawsuit, and then his lawyer sent me a letter pushing for the identity of the poster. According to Mr. Cain's posts on his local community forum, he has a reputation for threatening people with frivolous lawsuits.

We can't tell who CMoney is, because, obviously, I'm not handing over any information that could reveal his identity. His post was in fact quoting a post from another forum, which is quoting an email from Eaton itself, which says that the pump and the motor are both Made in China.

In addition, this issue is about the distortion of truth, and the use of "60%" rules to obscure the nation in which Mr. Cain's compressors are manufactured.

Hey Jon, Maybe Mr. Cains and Mr Levins Lawyers can do lunch.....Fasten your seatbelt, you going for a bumpy ride, that learning channel **** was nothin dude, my sphinters getting tight just thinking about it...lol

At least I'm glad we're on the same page that it's a side-issue whether the compressors are manufactured in America, China, or on the moon. For me, this isn't about Matt's compressors at all -- it's about his behavior.
Maybe Mr Cains and Mr Levins lawyers can do lunch...Fasten your seatbelt your in for a bumpy ride, my sphincter is getting tight just thinking about it...LOL

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Old 09-07-2008, 12:46 PM
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Maybe Mr Cains and Mr Levins lawyers can do lunch...Fasten your seatbelt your in for a bumpy ride, my sphincter is getting tight just thinking about it...LOL
Why can't you say who you really are? Balls not big enough? You seem as goofy as they come.
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Why can't you say who you really are? Balls not big enough? You seem as goofy as they come.
We know who he is...Marc Goldberg
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"Knock him out Jon"

Those of you old enough, and southern enough, will get that.




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I wonder how the ~good~ folks working at Eaton feel about the terror tactics Cain uses against Eaton's customers?

You know they're like most people -- they go to work even when they don't feel like it, they suffer the aggravation of clueless, tinhorn dictator managers and interference with getting the job done, they want to take pride in what they do for a living, and they want to share in the profits of their labor.

All the cumulative time and effort of who knows how many people from design to acquisition and manufacture of parts to assembly to packaging to market to customer service, and then some over-zealous, possibly ladder-climbing _suit_ comes along and ruins the trust and reputation everyone else built up, and he does it by attacking the people who make it possible to spread that reputation.

The 95 Theses of the Cluetrain Manifesto should be required reading before allowing any management level suit out of a sealed cubicle in the back of the janitor's closet.


(Sometimes a run-on sentence or two is necessary to cover the full load of manure that's been dumped in your living room).
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I'm not bringing this thread back up to rehash what appears to have been thoroughly covered in the first pass a few months back.

However, I'm in the market for a compressor and was wondering if a few of you could point me in the direction of other companies who sell compressors similar to Eaton Compressor. I.e. compressors with replaceable parts, name brand motors, ... pick your own color even (not the junk they generally sell at big box stores)?

I saw Quincy mentioned above. Any others?

It looks like Quincy is likely more expensive than Eaton for similar specs, but I would have to price out shipping to compare directly.

I was strongly considering Eaton until I this thread gave me pause. My concern has little to do with something being made in China (most things are made in China now) and a lot more to do with someone being heavy-handed and unreasonable.

That said... strong (and unreasonable?) personalities are omnipresent (especially in owners/CEOs) and if I can't find an alternative product in the same general price/quality point I'm not going to overly penalize myself for someone else being obtuse.

Anyone make this kind of compressor for us hobbyist types?
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This is a REALLY good compressor, made in USA, and is very competitively priced compared to the Eaton, you would be hard pressed to find anything better quality than Quincy IMO. This thing is two stage, 60 gallon vertical tank and rated at 40 AMPS.


http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...0475_200350475
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Thanks for the link.

Do you know what kind of motor Quincy uses? One of the reasons I was looking at Eaton was the ability to spec it with a Baldor.
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I am almost certain that Quincy still uses Baldor and GE but they have a reputation for quality and longevity so whatever they have chosen will be dependable. Quincy is one of the oldest names in the business and are known for building quality equipment (my Quincy is well over 30 years old ) and dependability has always been a strong point for them.
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This is what I bought about 4yrs ago, went to my local farm supply store walked in there sat this compressor for $1300. Well I decided to get & it was on sale for 10% off. This thing will catch up & shut down using any air tool I have thrown at it from a Air Die Grinder to a DA Sander. Not bad for $1170 if I do say so. If you're going to do any amount of work, personally I'd rather have too much air compressor then having one that you have to let it catch up with you...joe







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Just stopping back by to let you guys know that I got a compressor.

I actually happened upon a used Kellogg American 80 gallon 2 stage compressor with a 5hp Baldor motor on it. It belongs to me now.

Also, while I was looking around I discovered another US manufacturer in addition to Quincy...

http://www.curtistoledo.com/products/reciprocating/

I still didn't find anyone else that will let you pick the tank size, the compressor model, the motor, and pick your color like Eaton.
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Hi All, After spending quite a bit of time reading all these posts concerning
Eaton Compressor and specifically Matt Cain, I felt the need to register and throw my two cents in. Also read the entire transcript of the Ohio forum previously referenced as "proof" that Matt Cain is basically a bully who spends time throwing his weight around and threatening "innocent" folks. The way that Eaton (city) and Preble County treated Matt and his company by telling him to leave and take his company and jobs with him is the real crime. Folks have posted pros and cons about Eaton on both sites. Here, the concern seems to be that the pump and motor are manufactured off shore and therefore are of questionable quality. And also that these are claimed to be US built. So is every Toyota, Subaru, Honda, etc. Got a TV? Yep, China. On and on. Yet these folks who spout off about "Buy American" are ALL typing their posts on computers made in China. Either totally manufactured there, or components made there and assembled here. Lets face it, damn near everything is made offshore these days. Anyone who thinks different is not very intelligent. Any company who is trying to compete in a global economy will buy adequate up to specs materials and components from the cheapest vendor. PERIOD. Blind loyalty to your country has little to do with the bottom line of trying to stay in business and be competitive. The two don't mix for a successful operation. Fact is, if you buy US produced components you can't compete. That's a sad fact. Unfortunately that almost always means offshore vendors where labor is cheap and the government does not over-regulate. No unions either. A reference was made to sweatshops... Frankly if anyone was living in some third world *****hole starving and making less per year than most of us make in a week, you would be on your knees begging for a job in a sweatshop. We rate that all as substandard, and horrifying, but it's really quite a step up for them. Who are we to dictate how someone living in a foreign land decides to upgrade their standard of living? No one forces them to get out of the rice paddy and get a real income (with maybe the exception of the rumored prison labor).
I am in no way affiliated with Matt, not a neighbor, friend, stockholder, etc. BUT, I do own a fantastic Compressor that has been 100% trouble free for the past four years. I have been a collision repair master tech for 35 years, and believe me I have had some real gems for compressors over that period. Good 'OL USA Companies who would not even honor warranties. Had to get in the car and drive 600 miles one way to get a motor for a 6 month old compressor that they refused to ship to me in sometime under a MONTH under warranty! Imagine trying to run a body shop with no air for a month....They had the motor in stock, they just were telling me it would take a month to get it 600 miles to me. Major manufacturer located in MN, makes and brands compressors for many other brands that are seen in the box stores. And, no, the motor was not exposed to the normal dust and paint from a body shop. It was in it's own little room. No reason for the motor to puke. 2.5K for that compressor 18 years ago. Not a cheapee. Point is that yes, Eaton pumps are offshore manufactured. But, If they were the normal China POS, and quality control was asleep at the wheel, could anyone really afford to give a 5 YEAR warranty on the entire compressor? I could give a crap if these were made on Mars by lesbian aborigines, I want an affordable piece of equipment that will give years of service. AND, more importantly if I do have a problem I need to have it solved NOW, not a month And that is exactly what Eaton compressor builds.
Anytime I had a question or even when I was initially considering the purchase, I was able to get the Owner on the phone who actually knew the answers to my questions. My God, what other company can you name where that happens every time you call?
I called Matt this Sunday AM (yes before I saw all these postings) with a stupid question about a motor for one of his compressors that I am looking at that someone robbed the motor off for some other machine. I needed to know how much for a 10HP motor so I could make a decision whether this compressor was worth buying as a project or not. Not only did he answer the phone on a Sunday, but cheerfully answered all my questions and quoted ballpark pricing/shipping for a new motor/pulley setup. ON A FRIGGIN SUNDAY MORNING!!!! I got the owner on the phone with the phone number posted on the Eaton Site!!!!
As near as I can tell this is a hardworking guy who alongside his father, family, and employees built a company from their basement into what it is today. And he obviously really gives a crap about what he has worked his entire life to build, and will defend it and it's reputation at all costs.
That's a bad thing????
The guy who posted the statements that started all this frenzy had a right to his opinion and doubts, but to publicly voice them on an open forum was wrong. He should have waited to see the results of his purchase before insinuating that it was a mistake simply because of the origin of components. That's being a bit racist and unrealistic. But I also think Jon is right to refuse to divulge name of that guy.
Yes, we've all bought crap made in China. But, we've all bought crap made in the USA too. I dare anyone to deny it. I've busted just as many snap-on tools as china stuff. I have had US made cars I wanted to push out of the garage and burn... Years back I bought an overly expensive all "USA made" TV, anyone remember Curtis Mathis TV's? Their whole ad campaign was about being the only current USA built TV. Biggest piece of crap I ever bought. Point is that no matter where it is made, someone has to quality control the product, and frankly here in the US, unions, piecework, reluctance to innovate and improve, and most of all, grossly overpaid mismanaging white shirts who don't know crap except to look good for the board and stockholders has degraded our manufacturing reputation in general. Yes, we used to make the best products in the world. Decades ago. Now everything comes down to the bottom line of making money. At any cost. Cut manufacturing costs usually without cutting cost of what they sell it for and make stockholders happy.
How many of you use windows on your computer? Or, are you all boycotting windows because of all the heavy handed tactics Microsoft has been accused of over the years? Monopolizing, bullying, lawsuits, hostile takeovers of competitors. They are the poster child for underhanded tactics. Or are you using windows on your China built computer because the rest of the world is? But that's free enterprise in action. That's why we all live in the USA, to be able to do business, make money and live the so called "dream"
Shame on all you self-righteous hypocrites for blaming Matt Cain for trying to defend his company's reputation and future by trying to quell the obvious ensuing panic this all caused by all you who are now stating they are looking elsewhere for a compressor because of standard operating procedures practiced by nearly every manufacturer in this Country. Manufacturers (or assemblers) of nearly everything you own.
I am not a commie, or a USA hater, I am just a realist. I found a very rare thing, a company who gives a **** about their product, makes a fantastic compressor that's worth twice as much as they sell it for, and is better built than compressors costing twice as much. Ran by a guy who knows his stuff and is not hiding behind walls of staff fielding questions for the product.
Thank you Matt for giving a ****...
Oh and I am not gonna hide behind a pseudonym, My name is Brion, My email addy is maxxxwedge@aol.com
I welcome anyone to debate my reasoning.
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I think most are aware of the realities of manufacturing today, and that wasn't the focus of the criticism of this thread... at least the part that was important to me.

It seems pretty clear that the primary problem here was a threat to sue/intimidation tactics to try to get the name of a poster out of a forum moderator without going through the proper legal channels. Well... that and the oddity that the original poster here was quoting a thread on another forum and didn't really appear to libel the company or Matt in any way.

If there is a valid case for defamation, file it and the court will issue a subpoena to obtain the name of the poster. You don't converse with a forum moderator and make goonish threats.

A better course altogether would have been to get an account here and the other forum where this was posted and just lay out the truth from Eaton's perspective. Unfortunately the strategy employed came across as trying to silence all detractors by unreasonable means.

I also realize that folks can often get very upset, protective, myopic, etc. when it comes to their companies. So I think what allegedly happened here (re: threat) was forgivable had he just come back and said that ... "sorry I got carried away".

As far as I know that didn't happen.

Their business model is an attractive one for an enthusiast, serious home hobbyist, and one off shop owner - you get to pick your tank, pick your motor, pick your pump, and pick your color. I wouldn't rule out buying from them in the future, but I have to say that the events recorded here squelched my initial enthusiasm about buying there and caused me to look at other options.
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