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Old 02-06-2005, 06:19 AM
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Electric car????

I drive about 60-70,000 miles a year in business, this week will do TN, AL, Dallas on Friday.
I'm on my 4th Landrover and drive them about 180,000-250,000 than sell and their pretty cheap to drive maintenance wise.
My wife dragged me in to a Toyota dealer yesterday and said look, this car can get 50 mpg. (I did not say, so what!)
Since I weigh 195lbs not sure I could fit in the car anyway BUT it brought up a question I have always wondered about and I know we have a lot of engineers on here.

Battery powered cars-- Problem is range on batteries. Why can they not run a gear reduction charger off of the wheel or wheels
to charge the batteries as they drive?
Would not a gear reduction eliminate the load and get enough RPMs to charge the batteries?
I have never seen this addressed and of course if it seems simple something must be wrong with the idea.?????

Anyway, like I told the wife my 2001 only has 160,000 on it and its really not broken in yet so I will drive it another year. (got out of that one!)

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Toyota has a hybrid vehicle.
gas / electric.
The gas engine is to charge the batteries.
At normal speeds the battery is used but whenever any acceleration is required the engine cuts in. A very almost imperceptible change in running condition.
Sitting at a light there is no sound at all until the accelerator is depressed.
Depending on the accelerator angle you either use battery power or gas power.
Might be worthwhile having a look at it.
No I'm not a Toyota salesman.
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Yea, thats the tuna can she showed me!
Nice idea but, I live on the expressway and kinda want a fighting chance.
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they do have systems that capture the energy thru braking in a way that you have described.

Oh, and electric cars were once faster, more reliable and of course more efficient than gas but from what i've heard Henry had some freinds in the oil biz...and, well the rest, as they say, is history.
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Geez Barry, ya never heard of a VW Diesel Jetta? With the mileage your doing you would pay for a good used one in about a year with the mileage your doing. That Landrover must be putting you in the poor house with fuel costs!

Cheap to maintain...tune ups involve changing the oil and filters and diesel fuel is usually 10 cents/litre cheaper and it gets close to 60 MPG city and hwy. I've owned two already and recommend you look for a turbo version, lots more power for passing. I'm looking forward to the TDI's coming onto the used market in the next few years, they are the shiz_nit. Did I mention that they have typical German car handling manners and vehicle construction techniques which means they are quiet, solid feeling and have no corrosion problems like the japanese imports...better seats too.

BTW I am 6', 1" and 230pds and I fit just fine...including my wife and three kids. Heck the trunk is so big my mountain bike fits in the trunk with only the front wheel removed and I can easily close the lid with room to spare! Forget the electrics...they don't have the battery life yet for highway driving. I regularly pull a 4'X8' trailer behind mine, gotta love that diesel engine torque.

Using a four wheel drive gas powered brick to commute regularly on the highway is nuts. All you have to do is get over the SUV gas guzzler mentality and your set.

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My oldest boy just bought a new VW Passast TDI about 3 weeks ago
he loves it.
I drove it once and lot of power taking off.
Nice car but I like tanks!
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at least it wont leak from every gasket like a land rover. i have worked on enough trade ins to know.

low maintence! tell them how much a LR brake job goes for,or should i? ...just the parts.

currently the toyota is leading in the electric race. i believe honda to be a closing second. the battery life seems to be increasing. i have read bulletins about battery upgrades when the service life is up. so this might be a worth while thing to do for other reasons as well.

gas will be $3 a gallon.
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at least it wont leak from every gasket like a land rover. i have worked on enough trade ins to know.

low maintence! tell them how much a LR brake job goes for,or should i? ...just the parts.
gas will be $3 a gallon.
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Barry have I got the car for you! http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm

You'll love it!




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Barry have I got the car for you! http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm

You'll love it!

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Well, does it come with a Barbie doll? If it don't I don't think I would have much luck picking one up in that thing!
Might pick up a lot of Kens?
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Barry I'm sure you've owned enough vehicles to get a brand preference. (Obviously Land Rover) Is there any reason for sticking with them? For as short a time as you own a vehicle I would be brand hoping. Maybe an Escalade the next time around?
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Wait a bit

Ford and Dodge are coming with some larger hybrid SUV types..should be a bit better for someone who travels a lot and needs the space for stuff..

I think I am going to wait a while and let the first adopters go through the pain and strain..

As far as econmy goes..lets say 70,000 annual and we are now at say 15mpg,,,now lets say the hybrid vehicle (same size and weight) gets 20..30% more mileage..

Now 70,000 miles @ 15mpg results in the use of 4,666 gal of gas..take or leave a bit to account for changing driving conditions..

Now we go 70,000 @ 20mpg this results in the use of 3500 gal of fuel..

Lets say gas costs 2.19 per gal..4666-3500 = 1166 1166x2.19 = 2553.54 in travel cost saving over the year..

H,mmmm might be worth looking into something a bit mre fuel efficient here..

Now all a hybrid really is, is railroad locomotive tech upgraded with computers and reduced in size to fit in a car..Proven tech..just the devil is in the details as far as getting the computers to work properly and not leave one stranded..

The major trick deal in the new hybrid cars is that they shout the engine off if one is stuck in traffic or coasting down a hill or something and they provide an onboard generator to keep the batteries charged so one can get a good long range between pit stops..

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Barry I'm sure you've owned enough vehicles to get a brand preference. (Obviously Land Rover) Is there any reason for sticking with them? For as short a time as you own a vehicle I would be brand hoping. Maybe an Escalade the next time around?
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I have tried Mercedes, Volvo, Plymouth vans, VW Rabbit, VW diesel truck.
I maintain all my own vehicles and first day home I replace engine, trans and axles with Mobil-1.
The best counting resale and cost of maintenance is in order:
(I don't count gas)

VW Truck-diesel 312,000 (hit by cop)
Rover's 220,000-96, 190,000 -99, 155,000-01
Plymouth voyager- 4cyl 160,000
Rabbit-diesel 180,000
Mercedes-300 diesel 220,000
Volvo.-940 turbo-180,000
GM Astro Van- Sold at 55,000- I don't make enough money to keep that pig running. It disintegrated at 45,000.

The best car of all was the VW truck, a state troper hit me and I had tears in my eyes, The tears were because I wanted to whip him but you can't hit a cop, I loved that truck.

!996 rover cost new 34,000 sold for 18,000.
1999 rover cost new 37.500 sold for 22,000
Ply cost new 14,000 sold for 1200.
Volvo cost new 28,500 best offer was 2500 so gave to my kid. (he still hates me)

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Damn.

You put the miles on so fast the car doesn't even know it's happening. You must be a pretty good driver, the average person has an accident every 61,000 miles. You got that beat ten fold.
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Damn.

You put the miles on so fast the car doesn't even know it's happening. You must be a pretty good driver, the average person has an accident every 61,000 miles. You got that beat ten fold.
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[B]Ford and Dodge are coming with some larger hybrid SUV types..should be a bit better for someone who travels a lot and needs the space for stuff..


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Now that would be the trick!
an Hybrid explorer.

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