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Old 12-22-2004, 09:21 AM
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OK, this needs said and I didn't want to single anyone out on a particular thread. There is a wealth of knowledge right here at your fingertips but some of you guys just won't listen.
If you have an electrical problem do the diagnostics FIRST. Quit trying to guess or have someone give you some kind of pat answer. If you aren't willing to buy a test light and digital volt/ohm meter and learn how to use them, then pay someone else to fix it. You CAN NOT do electrical repairs with out them. And get a wiring diagram for your car.
I see thread after thread of guys who just keep asking could it be this or that but never do the tests prescribed. They just want someone to tell them what part to swap out.
You can't just make guesses and throw parts at a car to fix it.
It isn't rocket science, it is just basic stuff.
You don't know how lucky you are to have guys like Doc, I had to learn all this stuff the hard way long before there was computers and internet.
If you don't understand, don't be afraid to ask for more basic instructions
Maybe there should be a sticky with electrical 101 so the basics don't have to be explained over and over for the beginners.

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Old 12-22-2004, 09:31 AM
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So Willow. . . What do you real thing about this?
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Old 12-22-2004, 09:46 AM
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Was that too harsh? I have seen some real knowledgable people loose interest in helping and kind of drift away because of this and I would hate to see it happen here.
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Maybe, you will have to become our new resident electrical expert willow...........................seems that docvette has stopped posting for the last month or so.

I sure as heck don't know much more than just the basics........................
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Was that too harsh? I have seen some real knowledgable people loose interest in helping and kind of drift away because of this and I would hate to see it happen here.
Naw, just busting your chops. In fact this thread could fit in any of the tech forums. The way I usually approach these lazy posts is do a search on the topic and cut and paste a half dozen or so links to old threads with no narration. Hopefully this will clue the writer and novice readers to get off their can and do a little of the leg work themselves.
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I too spent years learning (still learning too) and am happy to share the hard gained knowledge with others, especially when they are really covering the basics / researching what is available. Otherwise I quickly loose interest if I feel I am being used.

Willowbilly has a good idea regarding electrical basics, - volts, amps, ohms, voltage drop for ground credibility, the difference between a short and open, proper checking of each of the measurables and what they mean are some thoughts for subjects.
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Example of what willow is talking about? I loose interest.

http://hotrodders.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54639
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I realize it is easy for people with knowledge to talk over someone's head with terms. Maybe we need a basic electrical tutorial we can send people to first so they can familiarize themselves with terms and basics. Maybe a brief overview of ohms law. And even some of the more experienced guys could gain from it. I don't know one mechanic out of a hundred that knows how to do a voltage drop test.
My problem is relating sometimes. And even though I love electrical work there is a lot I don't know either and in my shop the only books I used on regularly were my Mitchels wiring diagrams and component locators
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Willow

Excellent idea about the basics. A great place to start and might even include links to reference sources? Just a thought. Now to get someone to write and stick it.

I've fixed many difficult problems by doing a voltage drop test - you really determine if a ground circuit is really grounding. While it is mostly applicable on computer module circuits it also shows quickly if an engine ground (or any ground) isn't grounding properly. The ground voltage drop test is how we teach technicians to verify a ground circuit.
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ok i understand and (agree) with what you are saying!!! i have a few electrical projects coming up and i will need some electrical help, can you tell me what books will help, you know like (computers for dummies). thanks
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I appreciate and applaud your willingness to learn. While I haven't read this book it might be a good place to start. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...986496-8636652

From Amazon it of course provides reviews and suggests related books.
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You might try your college book store. I have found some good related books there. The best one I ever had was a companion book from a clinic that Interstate Battertys put on. It was full of good stuff and easy to understand. I gave all my reference material to a friend who was studing for ASE exams.
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Old 12-23-2004, 11:23 PM
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So true. The textbooks for the automotive electrical stuff are really helpful, at least I think so. They are designed to teach people how to do the basic things, so if you need help, they are a great place to start.
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This is a little off the topic but related to resource material. When I was studying for certification as an emissions technician the best book I ever got my hands on was a companion book from an old Sun scope. Too bad the industry got away from the true ocillascopes, they were one of the best diagnostic tools ever. When you can find one they are cheap or free and if you have room to keep one they are great for pre-computerized cars. Of course they just give data, you still have to think to analyze it yourself.
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Good point about the oscilliscopes being cheap. I bought an old Allen 'scope for $25 at an auction a few years ago. The 'scope still works and it came with a timing light, vacuum gauge. Very inexpensive diagnostic equipment and it looks kinda cool in my shop.

The Fluke oscilliscope proved invaluable to me on the primary ignition side (cam and crank sensors) but I never used it much on the secondary side. Technicians overall have gotten away from using a 'scope and rely on the scanners.

My old college textbooks are very good for basic electrical. Good suggestion.
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