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Old 10-18-2005, 10:46 PM
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I dont know about useing seafoam in the oil, but I swear that stuff works awesome in the gas.

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Holy crap I hope you don't put it in the oil.

Unless you want to get it rebuilt a couple weeks from now. (excuse to get more speed parts)
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I beg to differ with this statement. My senior year in highschool, I did an "experiment" for a 4-H project to see whether or not some of these so-called snake oil additives did any good.
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I received a blue ribbon at the state fair, and have become a believer of the stuff.


/\that is the coolest experiment!
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Old 10-19-2005, 02:10 PM
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Its right up there with magnets on your fuel lines, tornado air directers and cryogenically treated golf clubs.
Its maaagggggiiiic..... dont you know it maaaagiic.....

I'm skeptical of the magnets as well, however the tornado air directors do work (I have personally seen a 502 Silverado gain 2 MPG), and its pretty easy to understand why- its all about air turbulence and fuel atomization.

And cryogenicly treating metals does affect them, no matter the metal nor the use.
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:41 PM
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Automobile and truck manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on vehicle research to get the last little bit of mileage & durability that they can.
If any of these things were real they would be using them.

There really is a sucker born every minute I guess.
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:44 PM
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Automobile and truck manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on vehicle research to get the last little bit of mileage & durability that they can.
If any of these things were real they would be using them.

There really is a sucker born every minute I guess.


BUT the engines do wear out. Restore is one product that actually helps a high mileage motor.
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:58 PM
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Automobile and truck manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on vehicle research to get the last little bit of mileage & durability that they can.
If any of these things were real they would be using them.

There really is a sucker born every minute I guess.



Actually they don't. Most of todays engines are built to last as long as they used to. Fuel injection enables the engines to last longer even though they have lower quality mechanical parts. Engines are built to last 100,000 miles and then they're supposed to be done. It was only in the past few decades that a limited lifespan has been taken into account. most of the developement goes into getting the highest quality part for the LOWEST PRODUCTION COST. The mileage isn't thought about that much either, getting more is just common sense- lighter cars with smaller more fuel efficent engines. If it was a huge concern then you wouldn't have the same engine for any two cars because they would have different requirements for optimal fuel efficency (MPG wise). If we wanted durability we'd be driving military spec cars and if we wanted milage we'd be driving solar cars. Convienence, Appeal, and Cost have always been the driving factors for design.
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Actually they don't. Most of todays engines are built to last as long as they used to. Fuel injection enables the engines to last longer even though they have lower quality mechanical parts. Engines are built to last 100,000 miles and then they're supposed to be done. It was only in the past few decades that a limited lifespan has been taken into account. most of the developement goes into getting the highest quality part for the LOWEST PRODUCTION COST. The mileage isn't thought about that much either, getting more is just common sense- lighter cars with smaller more fuel efficent engines. If it was a huge concern then you wouldn't have the same engine for any two cars because they would have different requirements for optimal fuel efficency (MPG wise). If we wanted durability we'd be driving military spec cars and if we wanted milage we'd be driving solar cars. Convienence, Appeal, and Cost have always been the driving factors for design.


I disagree. The metals and technology today are far superior to the past. So is oil, etc.

If the Feds hadn't forced it, we'd still be driving around in 1971 type engines and cars. As long as people buy them, the manufacturers don't care.

e.g. Has anyone noticed that the largest and full frame vehicle manufactured, Lincoln Town Car, is the same size and weight as the old Torino? And the new mid-size cars are the size of a Falcon/Nova?

Think about it.
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Automobile and truck manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on vehicle research to get the last little bit of mileage & durability that they can.


Auto manufacturers have to take into account numerous factors when designing and building a vehicle. When they do that they cant fine tune every part on the car. If they did, every car out there would cost $200,000. Most vehicles on the market that are affordable to the vast majority of buyers are the result of compromises. They have to keep overall cost of the vehicle, fuel economy, power, reliability, comfort, etc... in mind. This gets compounded somewhat by the fact that people get pickier and pickier about their cars and want more and more features, some useful some a waste of time and money. Every new gadget a manufacturer has to incorporate into a vehicle is one more area where a compromise of some sort has to be made.

A pickup 20 years ago was loud, rode rough, had AC if you were lucky and a radio with a tape player in it, but it did what it was designed to do. Now look at what they come with and they're still pretty much designed to do the same thing.

Heck, when the Duramax came out five years ago people were impressed at how quiet it was. After Ford and Dodge rolled out their new diesel lineups the Duramax was criticised for being the noisiest of the bunch. We've become very spoiled as consumers. But I digress...

Sure it's probably possible to build a vehicle that has more power and better fuel economy with superior reliability and comfort as other comparable models but that vehicle is going to cost substantially more than what it was intended to compete with. Oh wait, thats what Mercedes and BMWs are. Better, and more expensive.

You get what you pay for, and you pay for what you want. If that makes any sense...

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Use whatever you want. It's just a matter of time before you come to see guys like ME! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!

tom


Not me! The cars I use Restore in get driven until they have no resale, have rusted away until there's no point in spending anymore money on it or a major high dollar sytem or component finally takes a crap then I send 'em to the shredder buy the wife a new car and start the cycle over with her old car. Where I have to drive to work and park there's no point in my driver being anything real nice, it sux but that's reality.
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I just pour a nice cold Iron City Beer down the fill tube and whalla, my Festiva does 12's in the 1/4 mile.
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I just pour a nice cold Iron City Beer down the fill tube and whalla, my Festiva does 12's in the 1/4 mile.


You are not supposed to drink and drive or drive a drunken car. Do they still make Iron City across the river from Heinz?
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Wow!

I am in the auto industry. I have responsibility for calibration of a package or two. I have worked for an OE or two in my time. Let me shed a little light on todays industry (as I see it)
1. Durability is paramount. If it does not last 120K it does not make it onto a car. Period. We have durability fleets that do nothing but accumulate miles. We are driven to build them to last as long as possible. (The styling should only last a few hours. )
2. Fuel Economy is always at the tops of our list. I am working on a project to squeeze 5% more FE out of one of my packages. THAT IS NOT EASY!!! We look at EVERY stupid gadget that comes along. Looked at the magnets - don't work. I have tested them on the FTP and HWY FE schedules and found only test to test variation (>2%). Over a measured distance found no appreciable difference. The largest variation comes from the outside influence. Temps, pressures, DRIVER, and so on.
3. Emissions! This is the biggest one of all. We al constantly told to reduce engine out emissions. Why? If I can reduce engine out emissions (i.e. make the engine more efficient) I can reduce precious metal in the converter. THAT EQUALS MONEY! Please realize that TRUMPS all. I don't care if you are getting 100MPG if it does not pass emissions (120K FTP, 50deg CO, SC03, US06, etc) you WILL not sell it. Period. There are things out there that will help FE but at the expense of emissions. I can lower HC (better FE) but my NOx emissions go through the roof.

Finally, engine restore has graphite in it. I had it tested. That was a popular trick back in the mid 70s. (My dad remembered doing it!) There were some oils that had graphite in it. It helped seal the combustion chamber and restore lost power. It does work, for a while. (It REALLY screws up emissions numbers!)

Well there are my 2cents. Take it or leave but that is what I do day to day. Try to make as much power as I can and still get 3million MPG and meet emissions. Its a great job. . . .now where are my Tums?????
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Well there are my 2cents. Take it or leave but that is what I do day to day. Try to make as much power as I can and still get 3million MPG and meet emissions. Its a great job. . . .now where are my Tums?????


You probably need a case of Tums when, after a bajillion man-hours of solid engineering and testing, a board composed of bean-counters decides that, no, we don't want to stick our necks out that millimeter just now, we don't want to risk the stock price dropping a tenth of a point this quarter or it will be below market expectations.
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Automobile and truck manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on vehicle research to get the last little bit of mileage & durability that they can.
If any of these things were real they would be using them.

There really is a sucker born every minute I guess.



Ya they spent a load......., that's why we are all driving natural gas/LP vehicles.....
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3. Emissions! This is the biggest one of all. We al constantly told to reduce engine out emissions........

Finally, engine restore has graphite in it......
It helped seal the combustion chamber and restore lost power.......
It does work, for a while. (It REALLY screws up emissions numbers!)



Well worn engines aren't so great for emissions either. If Restore helps them run better, use less oil.... well......
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