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Old 01-14-2003, 05:54 PM
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Correct about what? Do you even have a point?

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Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Well........my point is.........In all my 35 years (in the business), and all my boats, m/cycles, cars, trucks, rv's, projects, and as a Ford Certified Master electrical, electronics, and driveability Tech, I have learned this......there is always more than one way to get the job done!
HEY Heavy Chevy! Let us know what ya did to solve your problem on dieseling.
Of course..............do the idle thing 1st!

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[quote]there is always more than one way to get the job done!
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You are absolutely right, my argument though wasn't about the right way or the wrong way.
[quote]whether you agree with that method is a diferent issue <hr></blockquote>
I simply stated that to just say to turn down the idle is not the same as cutting off air/fuel flow. You may have meant that I'm sure but often what is written can be interpreted if not written clearly. If you told me to lower my car's idle from 700rpm to 500rpm and I turn the distributor retarding the timing til I'm at 500rpm did I do what you said? Yes. Maybe not what you meant I'm sure but I did accomplish what you said. I also am a college edducated, ASE certified (including L1-Advanced Engine Performance), and spent six years at one of the biggest Ford dealerships in my area when I lived in Jersey. I will also say that most of that means little as at the dealership I worked at one of the most experienced guys there by the time he retired was reduced to doing PDI's and used car preps because the technology had past him by. He was a Ford Certified Master Mechanic. I'm sure you aren't stupid and I never said your opinion was right or wrong just having a little fun picking at how you worded what you said.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dmorris1200:
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(I also am a college edducated)

Is that how they spell in New Jersey? I spent 6 weeks at ft dix back in the late '60s. Glad your back in maine. They might talk funny but at least they can spell.

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[quote]Originally posted by dmorris1200:
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just having a little fun picking at how you worded what you said.</strong><hr></blockquote>

just having a little fun picking at how you spell. maybe we'll get into it on another post someday!

We also had a Master tech that didnt keep up w/ the technology at the shop i was at. Doesnt take long to get lost while working on multiplexing problem in a Navigator if your not up to speed.
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Oh noooo! Are we done? And I was just havin' fun. Man I like a good debate. This is the first good debate I've had on this site in a while that didn't resort to profanity by the second post. Next time I'll be a little more careful on that 'd' key . I actually grew up close to Fort Dix in Monmouth County. When they started giving out pills to residents in case of an attack on the nuclear plant I decided to head north. When I moved up here I got a job at an independant shop right down the road from my house. It's a good shop, honest group of guys, and my boss retired from a service manager position at Ford to buy his own shop. It's nice to not worry about flag sheets, warranty pay, what I can 'M' time and what I can't, but I miss WDS and having access to QC Dealer. Oh well, life goes on.

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ok, guys so I really want to advance my timing and richen my IMS about 1/2 turn? and back the idle off to about what rpm with my foot on the brake and in drive? And also when i had my q-jet on there i removed all that smog crap, saved alot of weight too <img src="graemlins/mwink.gif" border="0" alt="[mwink]" /> What should i set my intaial advance to? Right now, i have it at 6 btdc.
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Well we never did find out if you have an idle-up solenoid on the new carb but I'll assume you don't for now. Sometimes you just have to experiment to find out where she runs best. I would say turn your mixture screws out the 1/2 turn you mentioned and see if the idle quality improves. I would also set the base timing (with distributor vacuum disconnected and the line plugged) to about 10-12BTDC which will raise your idle speed. Now you can turn out your idle set-screw to bring your idle back down and close your throttle plates more. If she responds better you can repeat this procedure taking the base timing to 14BTDC and see what happens. Remember, if she pings when you accelerate you have advanced too far and need to simply turn back. If you don't experiment you'll never learn. Same thing with the idle mixture. A richer idle mixture will generally smooth out an idle but you can only go so far. The bottom line is you need to learn for yourself where your engine runs best. I can not account for a weak engine, low compression, worn valves, weak ignition, etc. over the internet. Just because my car may run great at 14BTDC doesn't mean yours will. So start playing and HAVE FUN! That's what it's all about.
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I sure am glad you guys have called a ceasefire and have stopped waiving PHD's and factory certifications at the rest of us...
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"PHD's and factory certifications"

Sorry about waving my own flag. I just recently discovered "posts and threads" and learning as I go.
Having a bunch of accolades and certifications doesnt mean you can fix a problem. I am a "by the book" tech and I find I learn a lot from people like dmorris, willys36, kultulz and many other "tweakers" out there.

Anyway, 72 Heavy Chevy, you may find 14 deg too much advance here in Cal. with our oxygenated and reformulated fuels, MBTE and all of our additives to save the coastal banana slug and kangaroo rat populations. (Sorry, this isnt a political forum).
Ya gotta just play with it until you find best possible balance. Its gonna ping this summer, retard timing in summer and advance in winter just a few deg.

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[quote]"PHD's and factory certifications"<hr></blockquote>


[quote]2-manytoyzs posted January 17, 2003 01:08 AM


Sorry about waving my own flag.<hr></blockquote>

I was being facetious...The way dmorris went off, I thought he had a bind in his BVD's...
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well guys.....thanks for all the help, i solved it. I turned IMS 1/8 turn richer, advanced it to 12btdc, and back the idle screw out until it barely touced the throttle. After that I did a valve adjustment and Hockus Pokus, no more run on.....Thanks for all the advise and knowledge you guys kicked down to me..By the way, dmorris and kult., i dont have a idle solenoid and the card is brand new...Again, thanks
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Take a load off there Kultulz. You weren't even the guy I was messin' with. You suplied the correct theory (which I stated), I was just messin' with 2many to see if I could get more out of him than "Kultulz is right!". How many times have you seen me get involved with debates over mustangII front ends or using camaro clips? None, because I don't know anything about building custom t-buckets. But what I do know I stand firm on and will challenge others to hear their reasoning. If all the certification throwing bothered you I'm sorry but technically no one asked you to get in the middle of the situation anyway. I posed a 'mental challenge' (if you want to call it that) to 2manytoys and you just kinda jumped right in. Like the old saying goes, if you can't take the heat-get out of the kitchen. I have always respected the help you provide around here and have always tried to give you credit when passing along information provided by you on this board, I hope you do not let this thread ruin our friendship on this board as I have always considered you a friend at this site.
[quote]The way dmorris went off, I thought he had a bind in his BVD's...
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And I find it funny that you bust my balls when I was right anyway. The guy had no idle-up solenoid or any other factory emissions garbage (which is typical of most street rods). Turning down his idle too low would have just givin' him stalling concerns in cold weather. By doing just what I said he was able to increase the idle by advancing base timing which aloud him to turn out his idle screw some to bring the rpm's back to where he started. Idle's the same, throttle plates open less. And of course a little extra mixture adjustment to finish the job. Excuse me for being right and explaining why so this guy understands the theories behind the fix which will help him in the future.

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