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Old 06-29-2007, 05:49 PM
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Environmentally friendly honing fluid.

What would you use for a engine cylinder "honing fluid" if you wanted it to be biodegradable, tree hugger friendly for back yard/home use? Whats your recipe for a home made honing fluid for honing (deglazing) cylinder bores at home in the garage?

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Old 06-29-2007, 05:54 PM
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Canola oil. It's really an industrial grade oil to begin with and there's an abundance of it up there!
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Canola oil. It's really an industrial grade oil to begin with and there's an abundance of it up there!
I'm thinkin along the same lines. A vegatable oil like Mazzola or.........
What would you add to it?
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:21 PM
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Nothing. I use it to sharpen my knifes in the kitchen, I don't see any reason it wouldn't work in an engine. Also, it's got to be alright for the environment since it's the "paint" inside of paintballs. I don't use any oil when honing cylinder bores though, just a bottle brush hone...
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A bottle brush hone and flex hone are on the wish list. Am stuck with just a common 220grit deglazing hone. What about some water?
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I wouldn't use water. If you do, bore #1 will be orange by the time you start on bore #8. It doesn't take much for an iron block to rust!
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Not really too worried about any flash rusting. Can take care of that later.
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Environmemtally friendly honing fluid.

Heres some info on canola oil.
Canola Oil ,Before you buy your next bottle of cooking oil...

submitted by former Real Macaw member Donnah Roder from the FDA web site


Recently, I tried Canola Oil, because the label assured me it was lowest in "bad" fats. However, when I had used half the bottle, I concluded that the label told me very little else and I started to wonder: where does canola oil come from? Olive oil comes from olives, peanut oil from peanuts, sunflower oil from sunflowers; but what is a canola? There was nothing on the label to enlighten me, so, I did some investigating on the Internet. There are plenty of official canola sites lauding this "wonder" oil with all its low-fat health benefits. It takes a little longer to find sites that tell the less palatable details.

Here are just a few facts everyone should know before buying anything containing canola. Canola is not the name of a natural plant, but a made-up word, from "Canada" and "oil". Canola is a genetically engineered plant developed in Canada from the rapeseed plant, which is part of the mustard family. According to AgriAlternatives, The Online Innovation, and Technology Magazine for Farmers, "By nature, these rapeseed oils, which have long been used to produce oils for industrial purposes, are...toxic to humans and other animals". (This, by the way, is one of the websites singing the praises of the new canola industry.)

Rapeseed oil is poisonous to living things and is an excellent insect repellent. I have been using it (in very diluted form, as per instructions) to kill the aphids on my roses for the last two years. It works very well; it suffocates them. Ask for it at your nursery. Rape is an oil that is used as a lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base and as an illuminate for color pages in magazines. It is an industrial oil. It is not a food. Rape oil, it seems, causes emphysema, respiratory distress, anemia, constipation, irritability, and blindness in animals and humans. Rape oil was widely used in animal feeds in England and Europe between 1986 and 1991, when it was thrown out. Remember the "Mad Cow Disease" scare, when millions of cattle in the UK were slaughtered in case of infection to humans? Cattle were being fed on a mixture containing material from dead sheep, and sheep suffer from a disease called "scrapie". It was thought this was how "Mad Cow" began and started to infiltrate the human chain. What is interesting is that when rape oil was removed from animal feed, 'scrapie' disappeared. We also haven't seen any further reports of "Mad Cow" since rape oil was removed from the feed. Perhaps not scientifically proven, but interesting all the same. US and Canadian farmers grow genetically engineered rapeseed and manufacturers use its oil (canola) in thousands of processed foods, with the blessings of Canadian and US government watchdog agencies. The canola supporting websites say that canola is safe to use. They admit it was developed from the rapeseed, but insist that through genetic engineering it is no longer rapeseed, but "canola" instead.

Except canola means "Canadian Oil"; and the plant is still a rape plant, albeit genetically modified. The new name provides perfect cover for commercial interests wanting to make millions. Look at the ingredients list on labels. Apparently peanut oil is being replaced with rape oil. You'll find it in an alarming number of processed foods. There's more, but to conclude: rape oil was the source of the chemical warfare agent mustard gas, which was banned after blistering the lungs and skins of hundred of thousands of soldiers and civilians during W.W.I. Recent French reports indicate that it was again in use during the Gulf War.

Check products for ingredients. If the label says, "may contain the following" and lists canola oil, you know it contains canola oil, because it is the cheapest oil and the Canadian government subsidizes it to industries involved in food processing.

Our father bred birds, always checking labels to insure there was no rape seed in their food. He said, "The birds will eat it, but they do not live very long." A friend, who worked for only 9 mo. as a quality control taster at an apple-chip factory where canola oil was used exclusively for frying, developed numerous health problems. These included loose teeth & gum disease; numb hands and feet; swollen arms and legs upon rising in the morning; extreme joint pain especially in hands, cloudy vision, constipation with stools like black marbles, hearing loss; skin tears from being bumped; lack of energy; hair loss and heart pains. It has been five years since she has worked there and still has some joint pain, gum disease, and numbness.

A fellow worker, about 30 years old, who ate very little product, had a routine check up and found that his blood vessels were like those of an 80 year old man. Two employees fed the waste product to baby calves and their hair fell out. After removing the fried apple chips from the diet their hair grew back in.

Rape seed oil is a penetrating oil, to be used in light industry, not for human consumption. It contains a toxic substance. Even after the processing to reduce the erucic acid content, it is still a penetrating oil. We have found that it turns rancid very fast.

Rape seed oil used for stir-frying in China found to emit cancer causing chemicals. (Rapeseed oil smoke causes lung cancer) Amal Kumar Maj. The Wall Street JournaL June 7, 1995 pB6(W) pB6 (E) col 1(11 col in). Compiled by Darleen Bradley.

Canola oil is a health hazard to use as a cooking oil or salad oil. It is not the healthy oil we thought it was. It is not fit for human consumption, do not eat canola oil, it can hurt you. Polyunsaturated or not, this is a bad oil.

Read this informative report written by leading health expert Tom Valentine, Canola Oil Report. columns/canola2f.htm

Go to ask Jeeves yourself: http://www.askjeeves.com/ and type in (Where does Canola Oil come from?) and see what you come up with. I don't know what you'll be cooking with tonight, but I'll be using olive oil and old-fashioned butter, from a genetically unmodified cow.



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Wow. Good thing I don't cook with Canola. Going to pass on it as well as a bio friendly honing fluid as well. I'd rather drink transmission fluid. (have worked on/under enough leaky old cars to have digested at least a little AFT )
Thanks for the heads up on the Canola.
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That's a lot of bunk that gets circulated through the internet. Rapeseed is not poisonous. It's higher in FDA approved levels of gloucimines and some kind of acid. The gloucosimines make it taste bad AND convert the good fats into bad fats. The kind of acid (I forget the name) is SUSPECTED to cause certain types of cancer.

Canola oil is marketed in the US as CANOLA (which stands for CANadian Oil Low Acid, not just "Canadian Oil", like it's some kind of subursive Canadian scheme to poison the U.S.) because Americans wouldn't think about buying anything with the word "rape" in it's name. And it is a genetically altered (just like your corn, your lettuce, your broccoli, and every other vegitable you buy, even the majority of the one's labeled "organic") type of rapeseed plant that is lower in gloucosimines and the whatever acid than soy and peanut oil, some newer farms are growing rapeseed that are double "0", containing no significant amounts of either.

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I use nothing, I dry hone, and keep a constant check with a mic and a constant check of the pressure of the stones.
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Do not use any heavy weight oil, it will trap the material being removed and clog the honing stones in short order. If you really want to see a difference in honing, try to use Varsol or Kerosene. The stones are kept much cleaner and the surface finish is superior to a heavier oil. Place a pan underneath the block when you are honing to catch the residue. When your finished let the particulates settle out then use the solvent for other cleaning chores. If you have ever seen a Sunnen machine at work the lubricant they use is very light bodied, it is more of a solvent than an oil.

There are other ways to be green, sacrificing the surface finish of your cylinder bores is not one of them IMO.

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Well here is my bio friendly home made honing fluid. A mix of 50-50 sunflower oil and laquer thinners with a pint or so of Labatts finest. Repeat as required.
Seemed to work fine. No animals were harmed at all during the whole process.
Here are the nutritional facts for those that care.
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Well here is my bio friendly home made honing fluid. A mix of 50-50 sunflower oil and laquer thinners with a pint or so of Labatts finest. Repeat as required.
Seemed to work fine. No animals were harmed at all during the whole process.
Here are the nutritional facts for those that care.
I have a few questions from when I read your post initially, and another since this one. First, What makes you think that the honing materials(abrasives as well as removed material) are harmless?? You seem to feel it is only the lubricant. Secondly, What about the lacquer thinners make you think it is harmless??? Have you read any of the product warnings??? I think your best solution was mentioned by someone earlier, build a tank and capture it and then have it recycled if you are concerned. I doubt that Lacquer thinners and abrasive by-product will ever be "bio-degradable" at this time. But if it makes you feel better, ignorance is bliss they say.
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You might want to have her bored if the ridge is that prevalent.
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