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Old 06-03-2013, 09:34 AM
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The glide part of it is exactly for the sole purpose of consistency.Few shifts is more consistent.Proof of that is in the super classes.


You don't have a super car or the engine.. A super gas car is 2300lbs with a 500++CID engine and 700hp.

This poorly conceived 11sec 12sec bracket car will be a $30K boring snail with a glide and a non winner . You have no clue. Pretty much consistent with the rest of your posts thou. So no surprise there.

None of this makes any sense in any terms of practicality or performance or competitive benefits. You are on some good smoke there.
Just going to remind you that once done,it's not beyond me to go to Cayuga.

So we disagree.

Remind you in posts past I spoke to you about "the lesson" I was going to give you.............

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Old 06-03-2013, 09:45 AM
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lots of 11 second powerglide cars.mostly small small blocks or class cars. the power glide cars hook,though the malibu hooks well anyways
Yep Vinnie.I agree.So the glide along with a Malibu should be a compounding factor.Lighter in wt and faster because of less reciprocating wt.
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:58 PM
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Well been thinking about this and I think the first build will end up being a 468 which would allow me to go to a 496 if I feel I need it.Still a 12+ SCR and solid roller with steel aftermarket 320 heads.

ET genie'ed maybe..............

BTW-have seen a number of builds under $4,000 for the short blocks.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:12 PM
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Rough estimate of a cam to run from 3,000 to 7,000.Of course a bottom end to support it.Smaller inch engine needs compression and to spin it higher is the thought behind it.

Well to refine this abit,the potential of 7,000,but to save numbers there.

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Old 06-04-2013, 09:48 AM
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Well I am going to respect you with a answer.I have for yrs been apart of a partnership that has always build cars that run well under the class number.And do so not to put a ton of stress on the engines we built.It is that to our credit we have a national win,a number of regional wins,and points wins.I will tell you there isn't a national winner found anywhere that isn't saving numbers in his package.Not one.So to try to be a internet hero has absolutely nothing to do with this build.

The other part of this is to be very sure not only to cover a ET,but have a package to cover the back haft of mph in a run.If I am to end up being the chase car,it is important,and yet still save numbers doing it easily.The other part is if I am not successful to slow the car down,I have laid the foundation for a upgrade to the next class ET having to change alittle,but not much.

When I say save numbers,I am saying that so not to do stupid unsafe smoking front tires in the lights.Never would put myself or any competitor in that kind of risk situation.

Also it allows me to run quick classes.

I think it puts tons on me as the driver.First at the tree,at how I run the laps,first to cross the stripe and run my dial.

That to me is having fun.No more worries about sponsors,the business aspect I have been having for a very long time.A retirement ride.
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car is too heavy for a glide. It will leave like a snail.
tons of 3200-3300 lb cars running glides, and running with mighty fast 60 foot times
don't know where you where going with that comment..

as far as your 305, you'd be better/faster with a series III3800 s/c stock with a pulley change
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Only of you gear the crap out of it.

this requires excessive rpm thru the traps to get enough starting line gear ratio.
The only reason sone cars use it is rules ( superstock)
The th350 3 speed always performs better in these cars too.

99.9% of cars that swap to a 3 speed from a glide run faster with the 3 speed.
More reliable longer engine life too. Remember this is a bracket car.
The glide is a bad choice on this car.

A 2 speed trans works well in a very light weight car with a very big CID engine
Like a supergas car 2300lbs 500+CID big block. When you copy what yousee on the pro classes and try to apply it to
a 11-12sec car that is a lot heavier and has a lot less engine power you end up with a snail.

These cars always run better with a 3 speed th350 trans.
Required combined first gear ratio.... to start..
This isn't a winnable discussion.All the wins I posted was with a SBC/glide.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:09 AM
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You will see a number of Malibu's listed in here in the 10's running a BBC and glide.

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Gary? Ive seen FBs videos,I look forward to seeing your videos.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:31 AM
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Gary? Ive seen FBs videos,I look forward to seeing your videos.
Well Vinnie.........you might see one of both of us at the same time.....running against each other at Cayuga.
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as far as your 305, you'd be better/faster with a series III3800 s/c stock with a pulley change

A bad choice for the engine and power level desired. requires intercooling when driven at high rotor speed
and not compatable with a carb.

I know what blower to use on the S/C 305 combo , thanks. It will make well over 500hp on pump gas in a safe reliable state of tune. (I will also be using it on 350's) (550+HP)
500 out of a 305 with pump gas. I want to see this dyno sheet..
good luck. I'll tell ya now it's not gonna happen, with 2 mopar 2.2 turbo's at 450hp we needed 94+ 40% race fuel
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500 out of a 305 with pump gas. I want to see this dyno sheet..
good luck. I'll tell ya now it's not gonna happen, with 2 mopar 2.2 turbo's at 450hp we needed 94+ 40% race fuel
I don't have a dog in this fight, but even with a mediocre head and cam, an eBay chinesiem GT45 and a blow through 750, 500 crank HP is cake on a 305 and with a decent tune will live a long time....
We have a local kid that is using all junkyard parts with a pair of T3's on a crusty 283 in a rusty 80's grand prix that laid down 465 to the tire on 94. Its driven daily....boost is cool.
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mathematically, you need a 340 hp engine with 7-8 PSI to make 500 hp,or 250 hp with 30 pounds boost.
Like Dave,I have no bones in this battle,but I really really would like to see a match race.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but even with a mediocre head and cam, an eBay chinesiem GT45 and a blow through 750, 500 crank HP is cake on a 305 and with a decent tune will live a long time....
We have a local kid that is using all junkyard parts with a pair of T3's on a crusty 283 in a rusty 80's grand prix that laid down 465 to the tire on 94. Its driven daily....boost is cool.
a 283 isn't a 305, 305's have a big issue that most sbc don't they tend to ping to death,
now my twin turbo 305 was old school carb blow through, before efi or any a/r gauges that the hobby gearhead could afford for tuning, we used a thing called the 1320 .
like I posted I want to see his dyno sheet, or timing tower slip. and proof of pump gas and not sunoco's 100 either
as seen as the guy toute'n the 305 reasoning was it be cheaper with a blown 305 over a bbc , I don't see how a 305 with blower(turbo cars suck to stage) and efi would be cheaper, than a basic bbc .
sometimes when chasing money going rounds the rule of K.I.S.S. is king.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:36 PM
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Not a brag.In my racing career I've put on the trailer auto cars of all kinds,stick-shift cars,Blown and N/A cars,the best there is.While I worked at Burlington Air Express I developed a natural sense of time.There I was responsible for turning the plane in 45 minutes or be penalized $15,000 of every 15 minutes over.Yep,one minute cost $15,000 and then one minute over 15 minutes cost a second $15,000 and so on.

I do have that as part of my make-up,a natural sense of time.When I bracket raced before,guys used to grumble about that hitting my dial all the time.
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