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Evercoat Rage Xtreme question

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I am gettin ready to use Rage Xtreme. The only filler they had at the NAPA in my small town My question is in the instructions it says to clean the area first with soap and water followed by a "mild solvent". Can someone tell me what a mild solvent is? I hope all your projects are going well!!!
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Mild solvent would be lacquer thinner or acetone. I would not do the soap and water thing on bare metal however.

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Yep, 302 is right on both issues, cheap laquer thinner you can get at home depot/lowes, No soap and water, and no hands, you can leave oil residue from your hands, wipe clean with lint free rag, cut with 80 grit, clean again, then apply filler in thin coats
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I think they are talking about cleaning the panel before any sanding or grinding is done. It seems to me that soap & water, then dry, then a strong wax & grease remover would be the ticket.

Using lacquer thinner to clean a car is usually not the best way, since it can evaporate before impurities are wiped off, leaving the impurities stuck on the surface or even partially embedded in the paint if the paint was softened by the thinner.

After sanding/grinding and before you apply the filler, you can use the wax & grease remover again, but honestly, if the filler is going on right away after sanding and the area was kept clean (no greasy hands touching your work, etc.) just blow it off with air and apply the filler.
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Yep, lacquer thinner is anything but "mild", plus it flashes too fast.
Get a real "wax and grease remover".

Click here for the "Basics of Bascs" on wax and grease ("Surface cleaners")

An exerpt from the "Basics":

"The basic idea behind these cleaners is simple, they are designed to lift the contaminant up off the surface long enough for you to wipe it away. The surface MUST stay wet and HOLD those contaminants up in the cleaner for you to wipe off with a clean/dry rag. That is mistake most make, they let it dry and the contaminant ends up laying right back on the surface. First of all letís clear up a few things; Lacquer thinner, acetone, MEK, and enamel or urethane reducers are NOT surface cleaners. Lacquer thinner evaporates too fast and doesnít give you time to wipe it off wet. It is also much to strong a solvent for most cleaning and can get under the edges of sand thrus or soften substrates. Enamel and urethane reducers often have resins and other components in them that are designed to be added to the product they were INTENDED to be used with. To put it in a nutshell, buy and use the products recommended by the manufacture of the paint SYSTEM you are using. A gallon of the proper surface cleaner runs about twenty or twenty five dollars it is money well spent. The gallon will last you through many projects, a few cars even. The pint of paint or clear to do one small redo will cost more than that."

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