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Old 03-16-2009, 07:16 PM
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extra friction plate in 4l60e rebuild.

I began my transmission rebuild and everything is going alright....

My question im not sure about is (if anybody has a manual or know how) is about the forward frictions around the forward clutch sprag assembly.

I removed the snapring and thought i missed a part that came out.

I removed exactly what the manual i have shows and it is:

Removed: ----------------- Reinstalled:
Snap ring ----------------- Snap ring
Thick tapered spacer ------ Thick tapared spacer
friction ---------------- friction
steel ---------------- steel
friction ---------------- friction
steel ---------------- steel
friction ---------------- friction
steel ---------------- steel
friction ---------------- friction
steel ---------------- steel
friction ---------------- friction
steel ---------------- steel
steel ------------- ^"FRICTION
thick bottom spacer ---------------- Steel
--------------- Thick bottom spacer

the ^"FRICTION is the extra one i added in the stack and the snapring lined up perfect and didnt take any forcing in. Anybody know if the extra friction is bad?

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Old 03-16-2009, 07:24 PM
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The clutch packs have specifications for how much space is required to be between the retainer and first element of the pack. Go by that tolerance to determine if there's room for anything extra.

Just because it fits, means little. There needs to be room for the pack to expand w/heat as well as for fluid.
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stoggy,

what you installed is incorrect

you may notice one of the bottom steels was a waved plate for a cushion effect when the clutch pack applies.

there must be a minimum of .050 clearance on this clutch pack.
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I wish my computer manual let me copy pictures out of it for descriptions.

I installed what was removed except for the extra friction. The forward clutch waved plate did not come out of the part i disassembled just the manuals labeled thick apply plate, a regular steel instead of waved plate (there was none), the proper steels/frictions, and selective backing plate.

Like i mentioned above everything went together as it came apart except the extra friction. everything still spins freely with clearance but i will double check clearances to be sure.
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incase it helps the info i am using is on page 75 of M. Miller manual. Auto 211

Link to download

http://members.torquecentral.com/joel/4l60e/4l60.zip

Mine is a 1994 if that makes any difference

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There are kits for the 4L60E that have thinner friction/steels- is that what you're using, perhaps?

There's not much difference in the appearance between the two types.
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i looked at the info and it just said setup for 6 3/4 clutches....

I will check the free play tomorrow while its still easy to get at.

If i find anything ill update

Thanks again for the info
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It said "set up for six", and that's what you've installed. So this IS a "thin" kit, and you will probably be good to go once you verify your clearance. Good deal!
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seems to me the topic was the forward frictions at the forward sprag - 5 or 6 frictions, now the subject is about the 3-4 clutch pack.

My previous comment was about the forward clutch pack. 6 frictions in the forward pack is incorrect and i suspect incorrect setup. good luck with it...


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seems to me the topic was the forward frictions at the forward sprag - 5 or 6 frictions, now the subject is about the 3-4 clutch pack.

My previous comment was about the forward clutch pack. 6 frictions in the forward pack is incorrect and i suspect incorrect setup. good luck with it...

Yes and it still is about the forward clutch pack, i was including the only info about the clutch count that came with my rebuild kit.

I will be measuring clearances and double checking, thanks again for the info
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Ok so here is the final verdict. I took a good good look and it turns out i mistook the wave plate for a flat one so i was missing the waved plate instead of having an extra friction.

Thanks for the help everyone
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So had Crosley's advice been heeded from the beginning, all this would have been unnecessary.

Good call, Croz...
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Im not sure what you mean by that. What i did was already done and i was asking questions to lead me in the right direction. I took everyones reply into consideration and it led me to the solution.

If i didnt take heed to the advice from the beginning of course i would still be running around in circles without my problem fixed.

So again thank you for all your NECESSARY replies that led to my solution!

I appreciate it
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I mean exactly what I typed- had Crosley's advice been heeded from the get-go, this thread wouldn't have been necessary.

It's a nod to Crosley's having called it right, the first time.

Whether or not you were able to make use of his thoughts on the matter, is your issue.

It's about him, not you.
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we need to keep in sight the idea of providing assistance to folks here.

Since I work in the transmission industry I try to provide correct info , brain farts do happen at times ..

and sometimes I misunderstand a posted question or 3
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