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Old 12-20-2008, 11:13 AM
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Put the carpet padding wherever you are putting carpet. No, you don't have to use automotive carpet, but it will be more pliable and easier to install than regular home carpet or indoor outdoor carpet.

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Thanks. I didn't know that about the carpet..
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I is not a bad idea to double up on areas where higher heat is expected.

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That is using that carpet foam.. Isn't it??
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That is using that carpet foam.. Isn't it??
No, double up on your heat barrier (aluminum).

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The Raamatt.. Ok.. Got it..
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Just where will it end up being the hotest?? I don't want to double up in places where little heat is..
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I was wrong.....
according to the MSDS sheet, Peel and Seal (styrene- butadiene-styrene/asphalt) does include asphalt as a ingredient....

LOL,
so do many of the other higher priced brands.....

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/products/

APulasky,
pretty good article, worth while to read it from the beginning of the link above.....
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By higher priced brands, do you mean something like B-Quiet Extreme which is also rubberized asphalt based? If I buy 100 square ft. of B-Quiet, it will cost me $140. 100 sq. ft. of Peel and Seal will cost me $132. The sales tax on $132 where I live is $7.26. The B-Quiet is slightly thicker, has better adhesive, and is 12" wide, while the Peel and Seal is 6" wide. For 74 cents I'll stick with the B-Quiet. LOL
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Peel and Seal is $1 per sq ft at my local Lowes store and on the shelf at widths up 36".....
(6"x25'=$12.68=12.5sq ft)
I posted the pic' just to show what the label looks like...

so,,,LOL

is B-quiet 40% more mass density and mils thickness per sq foot????

I quit,,,they all do dampen sound,,,found one note that peel and seal is tested/approved to remain flexible to -25*F on a roof so the far far north cars could have a problem...

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I live in Duluth Minnesota.. I would have a problem. I have the Raamatt. It came 15"x50'. It is 60 mils thick. It is made of butyl. It cost me $118. It will take up to 300 degrees. Not sure about the cold though. I would just like to know where I should double up on the material. Without the two of you fighting about which product is the best. I bought one that isn't even one that the two of you are talking about. Though it is good information either way. If I run out of the Raamatt. I'll get some Peel and Seal for the trunk area. Al
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I quit,,,they all do dampen sound,,,found one note that peel and seal is tested/approved to remain flexible to -25*F on a roof so the far far north cars could have a problem...

merry xmas to all...
First of all, I'm not trying to argue about which product is best, I was only using the B-Quiet to compare. I don't care what anyone else uses. I'm only trying to point out that there is a tangible reason there is a difference in price and not just "marketing hype". I also take exception to someone telling me I'm a dope for using anything but Peel&Seal. If that's the case, then there are a lot of dopes out there.

The temperature range for B-Quiet Extreme is -67 F to +230 F, which tells me that there's more asphalt and less rubber in Peel&Seal.

Still think all these products are all the same?

Here's one more thing to think about. If Peel&Seal was the same as all the higher priced products, why doesn't someone at their corporate headquarters have sense enough to put "sound dampening in cars" as a recommended usage for their product? I guess they don't need any more sales or another customer base for their product. Could it be that it's NOT recommended for that application?

BTW, to answer your question: Put more of whatever sound dampener you want over the parts of your car that generate the most heat under/behind them, like over the part of your floor where the muffler/mufflers are and the firewall.
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I'm not saying Peel and Seal is better,,,,, just cheaper!!!

the B-Quiet Extreme web site "claims" 230*,,,it failed at 160* on this test!!!:
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/heat/

which is the approx same failure temp range as Peel and Seal, (has to stay stable at 158* for 8 days or something like that to pass roofing codes)

both are 45mils thick so I'm skeptical about the B-Quiet minus 67* temp rating claim as well....

I have read before and again in that article link that MFM Building Products Mfg. does make several of the "auto" sound deadener brands....
(maybe even B-Quiet?)
the "Peel and Seal" product name is for MFM's roofing products "line" for the past 20? years

use any brand you like....

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APalusky,
food for thought:
if one layer of RAAmatt sound deadener and a layer or two of which ever insulation and the carpet aren't enough to keep the cabin cool,,,

you need to address the heat source problem directly because it is likely burning/blistering the paint on the outside and inside....

may need heat shields on the exhaust pipes, foil barrier on the outside, whatever....

how effective is RAAmatt for reflecting (radiant) heat?
stick a small piece on a (195*) radiator hose and measure the foil temp with a meat thermometer or your finger...

found some RAAmatt specific install instructions that might help ya:
http://www.raamaudio.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?p=ht

and they do have a closed cell foam but no insulation "R" value rating is mentioned
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Havn't had the engine started. There is nothing in the interior yet. I had to build my own firewall and floor out of 18 gauge sheet metal. I want to do it right, because it is my first, and only build. I was told by a friend about RaaMatt. Dynamat was rather expensive for what you got in the extreme bulk pack. I wanted to do as much as I can with the material I have now. The RaaMatt I bought for $118. is 15" wide by 50' long. It is 60 mils thick. I needed to know how much, and where.. Al
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