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Old 06-29-2010, 07:17 AM
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Don't you think it's strange that a company that paints millons of cars can't get it right and a body shop that paints hundreds can?
It is a matter of production the OEM's need to roll out as many cars as possible in one day. They cannot afford to let a freshly painted vehicle sit in a paint booth for an entire day.

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It is all a matter of cost, nothing to do with can't or can getting right.

Lost poll I saw years back is for something like 90% of their customers complained about their new GM paint job.

They could make it perfect, if YOU want to pay the price.

Kinda like buying a $4,000 paint job or a $20,000 one, there will be a big difference.
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It is a matter of production the OEM's need to roll out as many cars as possible in one day. They cannot afford to let a freshly painted vehicle sit in a paint booth for an entire day.

Vince
Not only that, but think about this. That company who makes millions of cars, they paint as many cars in a day as the shop where I work in a year. We have ALL had a problem that would cause catastrophic failure at one time or another. In our case we can figure it out and correct it in a day, a week, a month, what ever it takes and we have only delivered a handful of ticking time bombs out. By the time the manufacturer figures out his mistake he has put out thousands or hundreds of thousands of these "time bombs" waiting to fail!

Pretty scary thing. This is why when we had a problem with our paint a year or so ago, a delaming problem and there was no answer, I put a lot of pressure on the boss who was being a little too laid back for my taste to CHANGE PAINT COMPANIES RIGHT NOW! We can't afford to put out twenty or thirty cars that are going to fail. The manufacturer has done that the first thirty minutes of the shift!

NUMMI the plant near me was rolling a new car off the line every 54 seconds!

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The whole issue with a factory paint job is lack of material used, it is so thin, the first time someone takes a buffer to it, from then on you are on borrowed time as the the clear is just not thick enough to last.
This was the problem with the GM peelers in the eighties. There was so little paint and clear that the UV was getting thru and breaking down the primer under it. I remember peeling the paint off with a razor and the primer was like powder!

I do have to say though as of late, the factory paint on all cars is holding up pretty damn good. They learned a hell of a lesson back in the eighties! Can you imagine what that cost them?

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I worked at Ford. 65 to 80, in those years the Spec allowed orange peel from about 30 " down. The Metal Finish specs were Zoned , more defects allowed where you didn't have a good view. Ford had it's own paint factory but couldn't meet the demand so outside suppliers were supposed to verify their material Quality. All those peeling silver cars and trucks in the 70's were done with supplier paint that didn't hold up. California had strict smoke stack specs. Ford used Fans at the end of the E coat oven to spread the fumes around inside the factory and let it leak out the broken windows . When the Mustang factory shut down the Ford Paint Superintendent went to Japan for a year to consult at their factories on how to get a better paint job. They were willing to spend the time and money to do a better job.
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