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Old 02-12-2013, 11:53 PM
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People can make it stick to metal.. BUT... Like I said,, On a fool.. I'm 240 and if you step on that floor just right... It will pop off the metal... Plus for some reason.. I have seen where people covered rust holes and it rust even more... Maybe the resin does something to the metal...Don't know...


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Fabulous work Randy...pure talent, and proper use of fiberglass in the true definition of use of fiberglass. That has to be some of the best work I think I've seen. For anyone following this thread take note, this is what and how fiberglass should be used.

And M5StudeGuy, I would very much like to say that you don't have anything to worry about but as New Interiors said...I wouldn't have done it like that either, it's not the proper repair or use of the product. You may be fortunate and not have a problem for quite some time (and I sincerely hope that is the case). A lot depends on how thick and (as mentioned) how much resin you used...is it a daily driver? Where you live and temperature changes will effect the life of the repair as well. If you live in a climate where you have drastic changes in temperature the expansion and contraction differences between the metal and the fiberglass will eventually cause the fiberglass to let go. The fact that you put a coat of Epoxy primer on prior to the fiberglass will help, it'll act like a cushion for the inevitable differences in expansion and contraction. This, although different, is similar to cars that came from the factory with lacquer paint...in cold then warm climates, the lacquer paint was prone to cracking more readily than in a more stable climate.

I do have a question, where did you hear that this was a proper way of repairing your roof? The reason I ask is because I'm very cautious when I give advice on this forum for reasons just like this.

I wish you only the best.

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You say you added more resin on top of it to flow it out... Resin is brittle without the chop mat... The mat is what holds it all together.. Resin by it's self will crack very easy....
I guess I should of been clearer.
The resin they put on top was just to make sure all the matting was saturated, and no air bubbles.

Someone asked who put it on: It was a body shop guy with several years experience
I guess after investing $25,000 in this project I'll just have to sit and hope
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At this stage of the game your best bet is to not worry about it and enjoy your truck. Perhaps, looking on the bright side, if it does crack in the future, you can repair it then and you will know what not to do. I realize that it's a small consolation.

Currently I'm turning a Model A Ford 4 door into a 1/4 truck. The back section of the 4 door car was turned into the back of the cab. It was a lot of shrinking, stretching, hammer and dolly work but when it was done, a minimal amount of filler was used. All I'm really trying to say is that the extra work put into getting the sheet metal in the shape it needs to be pays off dividends when it comes to the longevity of the vehicle, not to mention the peace of mind knowing what's underneath that shiny paint.

I asked you who gave you the advice on how to straighten out the roof of your truck. The reason I asked was because quite often advice is given and sometimes it's incorrect. There's nothing wrong with questioning any ones advice or getting a second opinion. A rule of thumb if you question someones advice and you have any concerns and they say "don't worry, I've done it hundreds of times and never had a problem", get a second opinion, it's difficult enough to get through 20 jobs, doing things correctly with the same procedure and products and not have problems.

In the auto body world, there are painters and there are applicators, the painter is the person that cares about every job they do and takes pride in workmanship and if a problem arises, often has the knowledge and the ingenuity to fix the problem in the paint booth. There are body guys and then there are technicians, the technician understands how metal reacts with respect to impact (collision), heat (welding), fabrication (putting metal into the shape required for a repair or custom application) and has an understanding of current products and how they should be used. A body guy gets it close and carves the shape of the vehicle with the filler of choice. Just so you understand, there is nothing wrong with filler when used properly within the tolerances set out by the manufacturer.

I wish you only the best with your vehicle.

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Murphy's Law ("If anything can go wrong, it will")

I really believe in it!!!, If there is a moth in my booth and I lose it and don't kill it, When I run my last pass and shut the lights! It will be right in the center of the hood in the morning LOL! If I have a doubt I don't do it! As I get older I've seen Murphy come into play through out my life! If I Use a new product that isn't supposed to shrink there's Murphy LOL it shrinks! Pick up my coffee cup and Murphy makes the handle come off and it spills into my freshly mixed paint cup! Primed a car then used Sikkens white sealer and the
filler color bleeds through the primer and the sealer! Sikkens says it cant happen Barry said its rare but then I get on here and guys that use Sikkens exclusively (all the time) say " Everyone knows you have to shoot a good sealer before shooting Sikkens sealer" In all my years Ive never heard of having to shoot sealer before shooting sealer But then there's Murphy ! I yelled at my son when he was about 5 "Get out of that tree before you break your neck" Murphy pushed him out of the tree and broke his arm

Now I'm old and look for Murphy every where! If I see anything that might happen I alleviate the situation because I know it will happen!


I think all of us have met Murphy at one time or another LOL

It just seams like if your working Glass He's Right there watching for his chance!!!!!! You mix a cup of resin cold your in the middle of applying a layer and the temp goes up 20* in in 3 min. and your brush comes out of the cup and your resin is jelled Your glass is layed out smooth and well coated and rolled (no bubbles) You come back and lo and behold there's a wrinkle with air under it LOL

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Everything you just said is so true...even when you do your best to do everything the way it's supposed to be done. That's why I always get a kick out of guys that say "I've done it X amount of times and never had a problem"....I wish I was that lucky....anybody that says they've never had a problem either hasn't been in the trade long enough or is outright lying.

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I love your comment about the moth in the booth...one time I remember hunting down that same moth, it was a beautiful colored creature...so I cornered it, stepped on it and went back to clearing the vehicle and be damned if not 5 minutes after I was done I looked at the car and that SOB was doing the backstroke on the hood...LOL

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Everything you just said is so true...even when you do your best to do everything the way it's supposed to be done. That's why I always get a kick out of guys that say "I've done it X amount of times and never had a problem"....I wish I was that lucky....anybody that says they've never had a problem either hasn't been in the trade long enough or is outright lying.

Ray
Very true. And just how screwed up can you do something that won't get out the door? I mean, "It didn't explode when I did it so it works".

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Did a Model 'A' Riddler car years ago on my last Coat of clear a Crane fly landed right in the center of the cowl vent spread eagle just perfect The owner liked it and stopped me from picking it out!!!! so I cleared it for posterity LOL It really looks cool (like we planed it) It didn't win Riddler though it came in about 5th probably because of the "FLY" LOL

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And isn't it always the job that has to go by 5 o'clock, or the one that you take all the special care in cleaning, blowing down, tacking and making sure your booth could be on the cover of Good Housekeeping and what happens, for some unknown reason you get everything from dirt and fly's to small barnyard animals in your paint, (bit of an exaggeration....I'm pretty sure the baby goat stuck to the roof was planted there by one of the guys in the shop...LOL...no hoof prints on the hood or deck lid).

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