Finished Seat Back - Page 2 - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Interior
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 06:08 PM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer2
You could try not gluing it.Don't understand why everyone thinks you have to g(was it glued from the factory?) Bruce
No, it wasn't.

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I just spoke to K-Grip. I explained to them how my first can poured like a thick syrup and how the current can pours like water. The rep said that it sounded as if something is wrong with it and is sending me a new bottle. He told me it would be in a plastic jug and not in a can. He said it was important to the company to stand behind the product.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2011, 10:54 PM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer2
You could try not gluing it.Don't understand why everyone thinks you have to glue to foam.Been doing this for 35 years and have never glued vinyl or leather to foam on a stock automobile seat.(was it glued from the factory?) Yes you have to be more careful sewing the face to foam but once you learn how in my opinion there is no need for it.
Bruce
Because it works, and it makes sewing around the individual pieces a lot easier, especially for a beginner. I glue the fabric to the sew foam for one reason only,.... to hold the two together long enough to stitch around the perimeter, which is why I recommend only using foam to foam glue for this operation. I've been doing this for 37 years myself, and most of the original sew foam I've run into has been glued to the sew foam. Most of the new seat covers I see are bonded to sew foam at the mill. I did a set of seats for a mid 80's Cadillac a couple years ago and the original seat covers weren't glued to the sew foam, but the edges of all the pieces were run through a serger, and were the exception. The new leather seat covers I made were glued to the sew foam and turned out just fine. This happens to be a concave shape which in my humble opinion is what is causing the problem. I think in this case not gluing the two together is worth a shot, but is not necessarily the answer.
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________

Last edited by DanTwoLakes; 03-10-2011 at 11:00 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2011, 11:42 PM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Well, I picked up some marine grade vinyl yesterday that was on sale and made a new panel. The marine vinyl is twice the thickness of my $5 a yard garbage and is called Spradling Softside. You get what you pay for and this stuff was much more than $5 a yard. Today, I finished about 75% of it and even during the production phase, I'm noticing a big difference. I'm headed to a conclusion that my inferior vinyl stretching was the cause of the problem. Once I get the job done, I'll post pictures.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 03-11-2011, 08:23 AM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes
........I did a set of seats for a mid 80's Cadillac a couple years ago and the original seat covers weren't glued to the sew foam, but the edges of all the pieces were run through a serger, and were the exception. The new leather seat covers I made were glued to the sew foam and turned out just fine........
These are the seats I was talking about. You can see they turned out just fine.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0019.jpg
Views:	60
Size:	29.3 KB
ID:	53457   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0019_1-1.jpg
Views:	62
Size:	28.2 KB
ID:	53458  
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 03-11-2011, 05:00 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Central Jersey
Posts: 16
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Dan
Don't want to get into a pissing contest with you.Took a lot of seats apart in my time and untill the modern cars started bonding to sew foam I never saw any glued,(especially to leather) Not saying your seats don't look good.I will tell you my opinion.if you know how to sew you don't have to glue the faces of stock seats.( there are times in custom work,concave where it can be helpfull)The other and most important reason I don't like it is,after the seats are used awhile they have a look that I can see right away they where glued.Just by leaning on them you can see it. The leather doesn't react the same.Again just my opion.
Bruce
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 03-11-2011, 06:35 PM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
There is no pissing contest. Every upholsterer has their way of doing things, and we disagree about this. It doesn't mean either one of us is wrong, we just do things differently. If you don't want to glue your fabric to the sew foam, it's fine with me. The only thing that matters is the final result. In this particular case, I think there is something causing the problem that neither one of us could figure out unless we could see and touch the seat cover in person.
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 03-11-2011, 09:16 PM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes
I think there is something causing the problem that neither one of us could figure out unless we could see and touch the seat cover in person.
And take it from me, I'm pretty sure at this point it was the cheap vinyl that I used. I have both halves of the seat finished and will do the final assembly this weekend. I'm convinced now that it wasn't the glue - although KSpray aka Maple, told me my glue is funny and should not pour like water. They are sending me a free gallon! Here's a picture of the new cover. I used the crappy cheap black vinyl on the sides and the new higher quality red vinyl in the seating area. Again, it's not completed yet.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0076.JPG
Views:	72
Size:	548.3 KB
ID:	53475   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0077.JPG
Views:	73
Size:	593.1 KB
ID:	53476  
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2011, 09:01 AM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
If you put the buttons in now, it should turn out fine.
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2011, 10:24 PM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I cut a square foot of my cheap vinyl today and weighed it. It came in at 2 ounces.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2011, 08:28 AM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
That's not how the weight of vinyl (or any fabric for that matter) is measured. The weight is calculated by either the square yard or the running yard. A square yard is obviously 36" by 36", or 9 square feet. A running yard is 36" by the width of the roll, usually around 54", or 13.5 square feet.

Spradling calculates weight by the running yard, so your vinyl would be 27 oz. vinyl. The Spradling mill specs on their softside collection is 27 to 29 ounces.
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________

Last edited by DanTwoLakes; 03-13-2011 at 10:12 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2011, 11:02 AM
Member
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 831
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 17
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanTwoLakes
That's not how the weight of vinyl (or any fabric for that matter) is measured. The weight is calculated by either the square yard or the running yard. A square yard is obviously 36" by 36", or 9 square feet. A running yard is 36" by the width of the roll, usually around 54", or 13.5 square feet.

Spradling calculates weight by the running yard, so your vinyl would be 27 oz. vinyl. The Spradling mill specs on their softside collection is 27 to 29 ounces.
So that's what my good stuff weighs? I'm going to have to see what the cheap black vinyl comes in at now. The cheap black stuff is half the thickness of the good red vinyl. I'm going to see if I can find my mic and measure it. Have you ever used Spradling?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2011, 12:45 PM
DanTwoLakes's Avatar
Hotrodders.com Moderator
 
Last wiki edit: Contact adhesive
Last journal entry: 49 Packard
Last photo:
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin
Age: 64
Posts: 5,944
Wiki Edits: 22

Thanks: 0
Thanked 153 Times in 140 Posts
Yes, all the time, it's made by Proquinal. I use that and Naugahyde, BoltaFlex, Futura, and Enduratex.
__________________
__________________________________

No one lives forever, the trick is creating something that will.
__________________________________

Last edited by DanTwoLakes; 03-13-2011 at 12:50 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Interior posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Finished Seat DanTwoLakes Interior 5 10-01-2008 09:33 AM
Back in to the Hot Rod seat! tmfcracing Introduce Yourself 1 02-25-2007 06:02 AM
Nova Back Seat novachad Interior 2 03-24-2003 02:14 PM
65 gto back seat culver 76 Interior 0 10-20-2002 08:00 PM
How do I get the back seat out??? BadBowTie Interior 4 03-17-2002 10:34 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.