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foodog2 10-28-2012 10:11 PM

First hotrod questions
 
I put this on the T-Bucket site since I have been looking at buckets but figure I would post here too. I got some feedback on my introduction but figured I woult try in the main forum. I have been reading for about a year and am getting close to making the purchase. I am down to three project/kit choices a Spirit 27, a Zipper roadster, or a Brookville 29 pickup. I really want a full hood with prefered louvered sides which I have not seen a Spirit 27 with a hood. I like the Zipper the best but like the idea of the steel body of the Brookville 29 roadster. The problem with both of those is price is about 7-10k more. I would like to use a Ford 302 and AOD or C4 transmission because I like the thought of a Ford motor in a Ford but might have to go Chevy. Brookville tells me the 302 needs a longer chassis for the stock body to fit a 302 so a 29 hiboy on a 32 chassis is the way to make it fit. Well that is a few grand more for the chassis or I have to modify the firewall. I believe the Zipper package is meant for a Chevy without fab work.

Since I am new to all this I plan to buy a turn key motor tranny combo from somewherr like Tough Dawg and want a complete roller package. I do not want to do any fab work since I know my limits and tools. This is where Spirit looks most attractive since it is pretty much complete as a kit. Where I think Zipper and Brookville roller packages are really expensive in comparisson and would need a Chevy motor. Nothing wrong with that I just like Fords but would run Chevy to make it easier and cheaper too. The only thing that bothers me about the Spirit is having to glass in the trunk.

I did not make it to the NTBA nationals like I planned but need to know which of these bodies has the most room? I am 5'11 260 so not small and the wife needs room too.

bigdog7373 10-28-2012 10:27 PM

Judging by looks i think the "brookville" cars look the best

RWENUTS 10-28-2012 10:28 PM

Here's a link for engine sizes. I'm using a 302 and c4 in my modified. Chosen for a couple reasons.
1. Weight
2. Distributor in front.
Chevy is about 2 inches shorter in length if you use a short water pump but the rear mount distributor causes clearance issues with the firewall and you'll likely need to move the motor ahead for clearance.
Other thing to watch for on 302 is oil filter placement on drivers side front. Depending on what steering you use you might need room around the filter.
Popular American V8 Engine Dimensions

foodog2 10-28-2012 10:46 PM

I know the Ford oil filter sometimes needs a relocation kit which looks fairly simple. I just do not want to get everything and realize a am 1.5" short or have to move the body or engine mount tabs. Engine fit and driver fit :) are my two main concerns. I can't weld or work metal so i need avarything to pretty much bolt together.

techinspector1 10-28-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by foodog2 (Post 1604463)
I am 5'11 260 so not small and the wife needs room too.

I'd be thinkin' full-size pickup with a bench seat.

foodog2 10-28-2012 10:51 PM

I know the Ford oil filter sometimes needs a relocation kit which looks fairly simple. I just do not want to get everything and realize a am 1.5" short or have to move the body or engine mount tabs. Engine fit and driver fit :) are my two main concerns. I can't weld or work metal so i need avarything to pretty much bolt together.

RWENUTS 10-28-2012 11:09 PM

Could you post some links to the ones you're considering.

timothale 10-28-2012 11:11 PM

over size T bucket.
 
NEHR builds a larger sized T bucket, I have my original 16 steel body T bucket, channeled and there is very little room in it.

foodog2 10-29-2012 01:01 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Here are the two choices the blue is the brookville and yellow is the zipper but i am choosing a different bed if I go zippers.

Zipper Motors | Lakes Modifieds & Track-T's: Bodies, Rollers & Turn-Keys

28-32 Pickup

327NUT 10-29-2012 01:23 AM

Here's a reality check for you....and I'm not trying to be a dick but it's just the truth. I'm building a f/glass w/ steel fenders '32 Ford Victoria....for about 6 years now. These hot rods are expensive to build, if you think you're going to buy a "kit" (and I hate that word) and just bolt everything together then you need to do some more research. It's not that easy and they ALL need some type of fabrication work. There's a million things to do to these cars to finish them and everything costs money......hense the 6 yrs. so far build time.

I would forget the Zipper, they are very small inside. The Brookville bodies are nice but they all need work, I know 2 guys that spent $25 thou for '32 coupe bodies and spent many hours getting the body ready for paint. Not to discourage or insult you but if you're not very knowledgeable about the mechanics of the build process you might look into buying a complete car thats for sale on the many hot rod classifieds...this forum, ebay etc. Due to the economy there are some very good deals out there. Just some food for thought.........Dave

delawarebill 10-29-2012 09:07 AM

bucket body
 
when u were on the ntba did u get a chance to talk to ron of "RPM" motors ??? he is a member and does body building and fabrication.. he just be up your Allie on this one.. there are companies that make longer and wider bodies..
and i agree with 327 nut.. they ain't plug and play..

1Gary 10-29-2012 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 327NUT (Post 1604517)
Here's a reality check for you....and I'm not trying to be a dick but it's just the truth. I'm building a f/glass w/ steel fenders '32 Ford Victoria....for about 6 years now. These hot rods are expensive to build, if you think you're going to buy a "kit" (and I hate that word) and just bolt everything together then you need to do some more research. It's not that easy and they ALL need some type of fabrication work. There's a million things to do to these cars to finish them and everything costs money......hense the 6 yrs. so far build time.

I would forget the Zipper, they are very small inside. The Brookville bodies are nice but they all need work, I know 2 guys that spent $25 thou for '32 coupe bodies and spent many hours getting the body ready for paint. Not to discourage or insult you but if you're not very knowledgeable about the mechanics of the build process you might look into buying a complete car thats for sale on the many hot rod classifieds...this forum, ebay etc. Due to the economy there are some very good deals out there. Just some food for thought.........Dave

Great advise Dave.:thumbup::thumbup:

I just want to add the one thing not many people account for is the tools,equipment,and work space/shop needed.It is easy to run into the thousands for that as well.

bigdog7373 10-29-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by foodog2 (Post 1604479)
so i need avarything to pretty much bolt together.

Sorry, but you're in the wrong hobby. Nothing in hotrodding "just bolts together". You should be looking at buying a completed car. Check around your local craigslist, you'd be amazed whats out there.

RWENUTS 10-29-2012 10:14 AM

If you're just writing a cheque buy one already built.
Here's a link.
Ford For Sale - Classic Ford Classifieds - Classic Cars

bigdog7373 10-29-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWENUTS (Post 1604606)
If you're just writing a cheque buy one already built.
Here's a link.
Ford For Sale - Classic Ford Classifieds - Classic Cars

There's a ton of nice rides on there! Op check that out. For what it sounds like you want you'd be better off buying a built car.


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