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Oh yeah all that information would have been like a swarm of bees in my head. Step by step makes it so much easier. Also I had no clue how involved the process would really be. In my hea it was a few steps and bam everything is painted. How naive of me, LOL

I don't really know of any body shops that I can go up to but I can call and ask around. No harm in asking. Also I can try to go to auto stores to see if they have something specific for pre painting cleaning. If I do find something I will post it before I buy it. Thanks for the catch, better now than later.

As for color, it does sound confusing but that is mostly because I have no knowledge on the subject. But like everything else I am sure I will grasp it. I will search to see if the store you mentioned is located near me. If not I will try to see what stores are located near me. And I will let you know before I go so you can let me know of the list.

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Again, I apologize for not catching it sooner...but glad I did eventually catch it...Chances are that everything would be Okay but...if something went wrong, no matter how many times we went through the procedure, we may have never found out what caused a problem.

So true, I liken the W & G situation like sex...if you never ask, your never going to get it and all they can say is no...LOL...even offer to give the guy a couple of dollars, like $5.00 for a half a Windex bottle of W & G remover...that way it will be in a spray bottle and you only need to spray it on and wipe it of compared to using a towel to put it on and a towel to take it off.

I'm just giving you the heads up on color...that time is coming soon and I'm just getting you prepared. When the time comes, I will give you a list of things to do and look for...go through the list with the guy at the paint store and you will be fine....he should know the things I will have on the list and that will make it easier.

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Haha I agree, ask and you shall receive or not but at least you asked lol

I called a few shops one of them agreed to give me some so I will go over there tomorrow.

I received the second fender. I have gotten to open it and test it for e-coating yet because I am scuffing the bumper. I am going to try to finish the bumper by tonight but I am not sure if I will be able.

Tomorrow I should be getting the primer and the clear coat. So I will update you with those pictures and the pictures of the bumper. And for the base color, that sounds like a good plan. Once again thanks for the help and advice!
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I'm just happy to help...This time when you check for E-Coat (and I'm confident it will be E-Coated), the sanding process will be a lot faster...you are learning and with knowledge the speed increases. What you have that I appreciate is attitude and that attitude goes a long way in people being willing to help. I thank you for that.

If you get a chance, check out paint suppliers tomorrow...some of these places don't take kindly to people coming in off the street, don't know why but they are out there, they possibly feel that they are above the common man and rely on the body shops to keep them going. If and when you find one or several, let me know which manufacturer's your looking at and we can discuss pros and cons from each. The way to check color is the same, the minor difference an be the way it goes on and some have a better track record with metallic's than others.

Good job my friend and I look forward to tomorrow.

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there is a store,"nu-agane" they have a ebay store. they have sealey ssg 401 for 17.99
i have used these people.and they are ok.
the gun is 1.5 set up.
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I still have about half of the bumper left to scuff. It is more time consuming than I had anticipated. How do you sand in body shops, by hand or a sander?

I searched for stores that sell automotive paint and one that came up a lot and is close to me was this:
Sherwin-Williams | Automotive Finishes | Home

Besides that a lot of them had body shops listed. I will try to find more stores.
I will get the primer today but I wont be able to have it as they leave it in the info office if I am not home and they close at 6.
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From what I understand...your having the primer shipped to your work address? That's fine...just wasn't clear.

Yes, see if there are others, nothing wrong with SW and I know they make a good product...but, if you have a couple...it will be easier get one of them to reduce the paint for you...what I mean is that if you go to SW and say something like....."Oh, by the way, how would you charge for putting it in a quart can and reducing it...a guy from PPG said it would cost about $10.00"...(I'm the guy from PPG...LOL...so your not lying...I was a PPG Rep) and that could save you $50.00 or more for not buying a full gallon of reducer.

Most guys in body shops sand with a machine...in a lot of the good shops, it's like 4 year old kindergarten when you start...in kindergarten, you get crayons and pencils...when you learn to use them properly...you get a pen....in good shops, they teach you the basics before they give you machinery to sand. Then when you get more proficient at what you do...you can work at a real good restoration shop. There they take away all your air sanding tools and make you do it all by hand, it goes full circle...nothing beats a good technician that can use hand tools to get a vehicle straight...(The last sentence was my opinion only...others may have their's...LOL)

Hope this helps and explains

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Actually I have it shipped to my home. But I live in an apartment complex so if I am not home the information office for the apt complex signs it and takes it for me. I usually get back from work around 5:45 and they close at 6. But today I have to go get the W&G so probably will be back after 6. Didn't know if you wanted the long explanation but you got it! Lol

Okay I understand now. It takes me some time to get finished but I know thats mostly because of my lack of experience also, so I was just wondering.

As for the paint stores I found a few more that carry PPG. I still need to call to make sure. When I do I will let you know.

I was wondering just for my understanding what is the difference between base clear and single stage. And how can you tell which car needs which?
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The where your product gets delivered, I know it doesn't matter, I just tried to understand and wasn't sure...not a big deal, I get it now.

It's a good idea to call a few, make sure that they will sell to you. You can get a price for a pint of base coat, when it's reduced. you will have a quart of sprayable material...that should be enough especially when your going to have a gray primer on one fender and the bumper. Also, it may be a good idea as well to see if they will reduce it for you...some are going to want to sell you a gallon of reducer when you only need a pint.

The difference between base clear and single stage is...base clear requires that you apply the color first, then clear coat it, the clear has an active ingrediant called hardner which makes the clear coat stronger and helps protect the the color or base coat. Single stage is a paint where you add the hardner to the color and spray it...if the color is a metallic, single stage metallic paints don't usually have a high gloss and don't have the durability of a base clear product. The way you can tell if a vehicle is a base clear or a single stage is if you sand a base clear paint job, the sanding dust will be white...sand a single stage and the sanding dust will be the color of the paint...if a vehicle is white, it can be difficult to tell if it's base clear or single stage. The way I look at it, if somebody is going to paint a vehicle white, they don't care much about the vehicle in the first place so it doesn't matter what king of paint they use...LOL...I hate white...hardest color to paint and when your done...it's white.

That's the basic difference, hope this explains.

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No that explains it pretty good. Now at least I know the basic difference between the two. Haha your hatred for white is obvious. But then would that make black the easiest to paint?

So good news I got some W&G remover from an auto body store. The guy gave it to me for free so that was nice. I actually got in home time to go the info office. But unfortunately they were closed early today. I will get the packages tomorrow.

Scuffing is still going on. I think I should be able to get the whole thing done tonight and then tomorrow I will just have to go over a few spots that I missed.
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I will say my friend...I admire your dexterity in following instructions, being persistent, using your natural talent to scrounge up material at a better price than is normally possible (did you go there with an Empty Windex bottle...seriously, because the spray makes the whole Wax and Grease remover experience easier) and just the fact that even after several days of tedious work, your attitude is still stellar.

If you can get the panels sanded tonight, clean up a few areas tomorrow, we will be ready for Primer very soon...that's when it gets to be a little more fun...and the experience you get from spraying primer will benefit you when you go to apply the color and the clear coat. When you start applying the primer, there will be certain things I will be asking you to pay attention too and watch for. I'm going to be asking you to apply the primer the same way I'm going to be asking you to apply the paint.

Have you made any more headway in locating the base coat...I was thinking, it may benefit you to use the fact that you are being tutored by an ex PPG Rep...(not that my name would mean anything in the US but, just the fact that someone with a history with PPG is volunteering time, might help get you in the door, get a better price and even better treatment from the staff at the store...I know, they should treat everyone equally, unfortunately, as in many other walks of life, that doesn't happen and from experience I know it doesn't happen at paint stores, especially at the retail level.

I remember walking into a Dupont supplier's store when I was first Repping PPG (a customer that I was doing work for on the side had started the project with Dupont, ran out of material so I thought I would continue with Dupont...I knew the product as I had been a Dupont Rep prior to becoming a PPG Rep) in the location I'm at now. They didn't know me from Adam and I was treated as though I was mentally challenged. I listened intently and when the arrogant young fellow behind the counter made a technical error in the use of the product. I gently, but firmly explained how in fact the product should be used, let him know that I had been a Rep for Dupont in the past, where I had been a Rep, dropped the name of a senior member of the Dupont management team that I new he would be familiar with...and I was treated with much more respect...as everyone should be. Just a thought, and when you go there to get the right color, by the questions your going to be asking and how you look at the color chip is going to indicate that you are talking to someone that has painted a car or two.

Yes, Black is the easiest color to paint. The problem with painting Black is that any imperfection you have in the substrate will show up in the top coat, prep is extremely important when spraying a Black vehicle, but, when your actually putting it on, you can tell exactly where your going and where you've been and what the finish is going to look like. White on the other hand, will hide the sins of the devil in prep work but, when you paint White, you can't see where your going or where you've been and I call it going snow blind...I hate White.

So there you go, a little more trivia, a little more information that I hope helps...if your interested in using the fact that I'm giving you a hand, let me know and we start getting down to what you need to say.

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Well thanks, I appreciate it. Trivia is always good. It is nice to know the reason behind things instead of doing it blindly. Now I know!

I will keep the paint tips in mind. Sucks it has to be that way but I guess it is what it is.

Despite my best efforts I was not able to fully finish the scuffing but I am very close. Tomorrow I will be done for certain. Here are some progress pics though:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uiwiaeqwdyroqs1/vPsrVHwATA

Let me know if there is something you see that I did wrong or if it is going okay.

Also for the primer I had read some time back that you need a spray gun with a 1.7 tip or maybe higher. The gun I looked at home depot that fits my compressor range is 1.4 tip. Here is the gun btw:

Husky Gravity Feed HVLP Spray Gun-H4840GHVSG at The Home Depot

So should I also look for another gun?
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To answer your gun question...No...SPI Epoxy sprays well with a 1.4 gun...you do not need to purchase a gun with a bigger tip. That's some more good news.

Great to hear that you'll finish up tomorrow...as soon as you get the primer, turn it upside down...I will remind you every day to keep turning it so that when you go to stir it, it won't take forever.

I'm in the house...I'll check the pictures in the morning from my other computer and post any recommendations.

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Yes definitely good news. Makes me even happier.

I will get it today and will turn it upside down. Also I forgot to answer your question earlier but I did get it an empty windex bottle so that should make my life even easier.

Today in my lunch break I will call the paint stores and ask if they will sell to me and reduce it for me.

Thanks!
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Sorry, still can't download the pictures...will keep trying.

Just a question...which clear did SPI send you?...the 4000 clear or the 4100 VOC compliant clear. The reason I ask is because I don't know where you live...and if you live in a State that has laws that insist VOC Compliant products...quality solvent based base coats would be almost impossible to get....the low VOC solvent based Economy brand base coats are less lightly to match the color of your car, have poor metallic control and don't cover as well...if you can let me know where you live...we can figure out which way to go.

I'll keep trying to download the pictures.

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