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Old 02-19-2008, 04:56 PM
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fishing for suggestions

I have a shoebox ford, I already have a clip from a V-8 mustangII,what can I do to make this work,as I am on a very(read;fixed from VA)limited budget. $300 is a stretch.(P.S. if this needs to be edited to another section,I understand,and forgive you beforehand)
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I'm not sure if a factory-original Mustang II suspension will survive under a 1950 Ford Tudor. Sounds risky.

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A stock one, I would say no way,But if they make one for your car,And installed right you shouldn't have no trouble's.
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Please don't cut the frame

Don't cut that frame. I see so many of these cars on ebay and no one wants them. Your car is worth much more with a flathead that has not been butchered.
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Sorry!!! But They sell very good when done right.
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Can a donor car MII even be put under a 50 ford without a major amount of work?

No one makes an aftermarket crossmember for the install, but Fatman Fabrications makes a frame stub.

http://www.fatmanfab.com/catalogpage.php?page=6

Typically fatman won't make a frame stub unless the stock frame configuration won't allow a simple crossmember installation.

I think that Jamco makes parts to put power steering and disc brakes under those cars.

Give them a call.
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I'm sorry, but the suggestion to leave it stock comes at least 30yrs.and several owners too late. Right now it has a mopar 273 in it that was seized when I got it 2yrs. ago. I had also considered a pacer subframe or the frame from under a '70-'74 torino(close wheelbase and all that)thanx for all the suggestions. Tom

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I think that Jamco makes parts to put power steering and disc brakes under those cars.

Give them a call.
Someday you're gonna have to learn about this Intarweb thang, Mikey.

Jamco Suspensions

I think maybe the statement on that page, "Starting at $995.00 exchange (Customer must furnish A-Arms)", might just break the $300 budget, though.

What are the technical problems with the "clip from a V-8 mustangII" in the opening comment? (Confession: I've never seen the frame of a shoebox ford uncovered).

[Edited to add:]
Ok, now I've seen one. Still don't know anything, though.
CHASSIS, "How to Z a Shoebox Ford" in TECH-N-COLOR™

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What are the technical problems with the "clip from a V-8 mustangII" in the opening comment? (Confession: I've never seen the frame of a shoebox ford uncovered).
Yeah Grouch, I know I'm terrible with that internet thing....I have no 'net savvy...and I don't care. Sometimes I even use a phone.... Or meet with a real person to discuss technical issues...or buy stuff.....just the other day I even read a book

Sprecher48 is going to find himself up against that 300.00 limit fairly fast unless he has a fair amount of skill and equipment.


If you look at the construction of the shoebox frame at the centerine of the spindles, there is a large bulbous protruberance that houses the coil spring which probably interferes with the MII spring. It looks very wide as well, and the crossmember looks like it is spread out all over the frame rails..which means that when you cut it out to drop in the MII, there will be frame rework to do on the inside of the frame rails.. A guy may be better off cutting out the whole c member with portions of side rails and patching them back in...That's exactly what fatman does with their frame stub.

Sprecher48 could pull out all of his stuff and start measuring to try to see if he can get-r-done with the MII. When he is all done he will still have the 9.25" brakes that are designed to stop a 3400 # car with 195-70 13 tires. Those are short, and the tires that look right on the 50 are alot taller.

Those MII brakes are going to be severely overworked by doing that, so sprecher48 will need to upgrade if he wants his car to stop well.

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donar frame???

My buddy put his 49 merc on a chevy monte carlo frame ..he said it was easy AI don't know how much different fords are from the merc's Around here the local wrecker calls us just befor he crushes cars and we help him and get parts dirt cheap or trade by pulling radiators and wiring harnesses Junior can pull a gm rad in 2 minutes or less...
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Yeah Grouch, I know I'm terrible with that internet thing....I have no 'net savvy...and I don't care. Sometimes I even use a phone.... Or meet with a real person to discuss technical issues...or buy stuff.....just the other day I even read a book
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If you look at the construction of the shoebox frame at the centerine of the spindles, there is a large bulbous protruberance that houses the coil spring which probably interferes with the MII spring.
Looking at the pictures of that Z'd Ford frame, it's pretty much the same mess as on my '49 Olds, minus the knee-action shocks. All the MII kit makers I checked with just offered clips -- you cut the old frame at the firewall and start welding, just like you said for fatman's clip for the shoebox.

Maybe oldguy829's writeup on the wiki, 37 - 57 Buick Olds Pont suspension upgrade, will inspire the same kind of mix-and-match upgrade for the 'shoebox' Fords. Surely there are salvage yard parts in the Ford-Lincoln-Mercury family that will almost bolt on for the 49-51 Fords and bring 'em up to date.

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Sprecher48 could pull out all of his stuff and start measuring to try to see if he can get-r-done with the MII. When he is all done he will still have the 9.25" brakes that are designed to stop a 3400 # car with 195-70 13 tires. Those are short, and the tires that look right on the 50 are alot taller.
I dunno, 195-70 13's under a '50 would be different, at least. Use blackwalls and flat black wheels and they'd kinda disappear under those fat fenders at night -- look like a hovercraft.

Is the problem mainly the diameter of the disc versus the diameter of the tire, or does the footprint of the tire also play a factor? The weight doesn't look that far off to me.

Found a "Tire Height Chart" that gives approximately 23.75 for those tires.

I see now why you say the $300 would be a limit pretty fast. Jamco lists the disc brake conversion kit at $525 and all others I found by search hovered around that price. It looks like trade and salvage would be the only way to hold that limit.
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Is the problem mainly the diameter of the disc versus the diameter of the tire, or does the footprint of the tire also play a factor? The weight doesn't look that far off to me.

Found a "Tire Height Chart" that gives approximately 23.75 for those tires.

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Scarymike...Deuce told me once that he would not have let me in the gentlemens club he was a bouncer at. He said I looked like trouble.


As the tire diameter gets bigger the small disc has less mechanical advantage over the forces that want to keep rotating the wheel. Think of a wheel with the brakes applied as a lever, the spindle is the fulcrum, the contact patch is the load and the disc rotor is the force. move the force closer to the load and you need less force to overcome the load.


Cool chart. I was looking for one of those the other day.


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I'm trying to get the specs for my shoebox,I went to carfolio.com but they didn't have the specs for a shoebox. Can anyone give me the wheelbase & track specs for a '50 tudor? Once again,thanx to y'all! Tom (crabby old f*rt)
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try this...all fords,49-51 were the same frame, wb etc..
http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1949/specs.html

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