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Old 06-14-2003, 03:48 AM
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Fixing peeling clear coat.....

My clearcoat is starting to peel off on the roof from my 93 Saturn. I read a lot of posts about what is the best method of fixing this. But, what I would like to ask is if it is feasible for a novice to attempt it.

I am usually a repair it yourself type of guy if possible. I got a quote today of $600. Seemed quite high for such a small roof (but if it's not, please tell me). This entailed, sanding roof to primer, spraying BC and CC using the higher grade PPG products availabe here.

Being a family man and on a budget, if I could save a little and learn something about this, I would really like to do this myself. I am handy at smaller painting projects, RC car bodies and models and am willing to invest some in tools (have own compressor with regulator). But if it really is over my head, then please leave your opinion....

Any advice or links to literature would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 06-14-2003, 07:15 AM
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OddsNEnds;

I don`t know of any other way ,once clear starts pealing, has to be sanded off.

If you can spray paint, you should be able to do it.

The price sounds a little high to me. Check around for a
competitive price. Good Luck;

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Old 06-14-2003, 10:21 AM
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Well, with paint running well above $100/gal, labor running near $100/hr, and the chance of a botched job if you have no experience in this type of repair at 100%, I think $600 is a pretty good price!

If the car is a hobby car, go for it. If it is your daily driver/wife's car/need resale for our next car/ type car, have the pros do it.
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Old 06-14-2003, 12:13 PM
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I am not fan of saturns, id sell that thing and get something else, I've heard too much bad about saturns in auto body shops, gaps flex in winter/summer due to having plastic body, etc. I wouldnt pay $600 to paint roof though, is it 4 door sedan? even if it is, the roof isnt that big on it, unlike my '57 wagon's roof. I get my cars painted at one guy's shop i know and its $800, including body work(dents&dings), I had to disassemble and reassemble it though to save on cost.
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Old 06-14-2003, 06:01 PM
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I have to agree with Willy to an extent. There is alot of work involved in sanding it down to the primer to repaint, especially on a roof of plastic. Depending on the labor rate in that area, it may be right in line. This is a case that I would get a second opinion. Not necessarily on what needs to be done, more in the line of the cost. If you get a second opinion that says it should cost about the same, I would go with the shop with the best reputation. If another opinion says that they would do it for 1/2 that cost then get a third to find out why there is a big difference. Either way, it needs to be stripped. Like Willy said, if it is a daily/family car, you may want it done professionally. If it is your fun car, try it yourself.
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Old 06-14-2003, 11:33 PM
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Thanks all for the replies.

This is my wifes car and not a hobby car, I have my '79 Malibu for that. The Saturn is a 4 door sedan. From what the painter said, this cars roof was previously repainted poorly and that is why it peeled being that this car sits in the sun 5 days a week. I try to take good care of it, but this time I lost the fight with the paint. Looks like it won't be a good idea to try this myself.

I'll follow your advice and get a second and third opinion (if necessary) on cost before handing over the car to him.

He said it would be about $250 for the paint and $350 for labor, but if all goes well with the prep work, he would lower the labor cost. He also said that there is another line of PPG BC/CC paint that is not as expensive as the line that he uses. That would save some money there too. But at what expense?

Interesting mitmaks, from my understanding, the tops of the Saturns are steel (hood, roof and trunk lid) and the sides were plastic. Fortunately there's not much variation in weather here from season to season.
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Old 06-14-2003, 11:46 PM
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if i am not wrong I never said that top was plastic, someone in previous post said that I believe, but door skins are plastic, so are 1/4 panels and not sure about fenders.
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Ah, I am out of content, I apologize mitmaks. Yup, the fenders are plastic too.
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Old 06-15-2003, 12:15 AM
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maybe they use wrong kind primer? like plastic primer and it wasnt really working on steel roof so it started peeling....just a thought...newer cars are so harder to paint, all the disassembly/reassembly, plastic prep etc...
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mitmarks.... sorry, I didn't mean to get you on the spot. I said that the top was plastic, and I was wrong, again. I don't know why I said it was plastic, just brain fade, I guess. Most of the rest of the car is.

As fas as the paint is concerned. Most of the manufacturers had problems with the clear coat during the 80's and early 90's. I have seen people try everything to repair the problem. The only way to actually fix it, is to strip it all off, color and clear.
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Your car has a metal roof-hood -trunk the reat is plastic, and to the point is your roof peeling around the edges or all over the roof
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Get this, my friend and I were looking at the peeling clearcoat today. And I started tapping on the roof. IT'S PLASTIC! Like the rest of the car. Only body parts metal are the hood and trunk.

The peeling is mainly in two spots, one is 2"x2" and the other is 3"x6", but there are little spots throughout another 35% (approx) of the roof that are also lifting.
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looks like i was right either way lol, looks like they didnt use proper undercoat on that plastic roof, yes you'll wanna strip it to plastic and then use PLASTIC undercoats that are compatible.
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OK....I give up! I guess I am wrong no matter what I say. SOunds too much like a conversation with my wife now. By the way... Might want to check the hood with a magnet. It may be aluminum. I seem to remember them being that way, then again, I may be wrong AGAIN. I know someone used one, just like plastic roofs.
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BUT what if...

OK, I'm no expert, but what if you sand the top so you feather the peeling edges, with say 600 grid and the re-shoot the top with new clear coat? Your emliminating the peeling areas, and your covering the exposed paint??! ...Won't that be worth a try? My 2 cents ...Mark(11echo)
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