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Old 04-10-2010, 04:21 PM
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flange tool

Anyone can recommend a good flanger? I have one of those pneumatic flanger/hole punch but it just doesn't make flange deep enough.

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Well, I'll be obvious here-a Bead roller can make a good Flange, and go whaever depth you want-
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The one I have is a pair of vise grips with a modified jaw that makes a flange..I have found them to be convenient for flanging metal on the car..

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I have one of these (click here) that I bought 20 years ago from Eastwood and feel it is the best way to go.



I have worked with others, pnumatic and the larger version of this one and feel that if you can own them all, great, they have a place. But if you are going to own just one, this version is best. It will work on three foot long panels, though take a while longer, and they will work going around curves both inside and out.


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I have one of these (click here) that I bought 20 years ago from Eastwood and feel it is the best way to go.



I have worked with others, pnumatic and the larger version of this one and feel that if you can own them all, great, they have a place. But if you are going to own just one, this version is best. It will work on three foot long panels, though take a while longer, and they will work going around curves both inside and out.


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How deep of flange does it make? Do you have any pictures. thanks
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How deep of flange does it make? Do you have any pictures. thanks
I don't have any photos and they are at work so I can't post any right now. I'll check it out tomorrow. As I remember the went about 5/8".

I also know that mine were bought 20 years ago and were made from real American made Vice grips. What they are made from today, are they Chinese junk, that I don't know. Eastwood has went in the Chinese junk direction with a number of products so I can't say if these are as good as what I have.

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Screw flanges!

Butt weld....

I used to "flange" then I learned better.

Wish I would have known better sooner.
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Screw flanges!

Butt weld....

I used to "flange" then I learned better.

Wish I would have known better sooner.
what's wrong? It's just a matter of preference
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what's wrong? It's just a matter of preference
preference and function!

I suppose if you are doing floors it wont make a difference, but I have heard from a reliable source (Ron Covell) that flange welds exposed to the heating of sunlight will show a "weld line" in bright sunlight, particularly with dark colored paint.

This is a result of the double thick weld area expanding differently than the single thick areas.

Besides, it is really not harder to butt weld once you get into the swing of it.
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I butt weld most ever thing I do but I have a guy that works for me and he flange welds a lot but to the post it may not be the tool it could be that you dont have enough air presser???????
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I butt weld most ever thing I do but I have a guy that works for me and he flange welds a lot but to the post it may not be the tool it could be that you dont have enough air presser???????
No, plenty of pressure. It's just not designed to make deep flange
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No, plenty of pressure. It's just not designed to make deep flange
well in that case it could the tool mine that he is using is a Matco brand and we have 155 PSI at the tool
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preference and function!

I suppose if you are doing floors it wont make a difference, but I have heard from a reliable source (Ron Covell) that flange welds exposed to the heating of sunlight will show a "weld line" in bright sunlight, particularly with dark colored paint.

This is a result of the double thick weld area expanding differently than the single thick areas.

Besides, it is really not harder to butt weld once you get into the swing of it.
You are right and wrong. First off there are places where a flange weld works great. And while restoring using both butt and flange are fine.

I do believe you are right that it isn't "harder", only different.

I was blown away after starting to follow the manufacture recommendations on splicing from a few different auto makers to butt and not flange or use "Butt weld with backing". I had done plenty of butt welding doing restoration work but didn't want to take the time hanging a quarter panel on a 2005 Toyota. Well I just started doing it, I was butt welding 24 ga metal with the MIG in no time! So yes, butt welding, flange welding, they are hardly different difficulty wise, simple "different".

But on that note, realistically there isn't one single butt weld on any car we will ever work on from the factory. Yes, there are just a few out there, they used "forge welding" back in the twenties and thirties that is simplar to what you and I would call a "butt weld". But other than that EVERY SINGLE WELD on EVERY SINGLE CAR made is a flange or lap or pinch weld!

My point is, they certainly aren't "inferior" or "wrong" in some way function or quality wise. The ENTIRE car is held together with them, what's one more?

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I got my last air flanger at HF,doggone thing has worked fine at my shop for three years.40.00 those vise grips are awful handy too get both if you can but if I had to choose I'd have to take the air flanger any day its a lot faster and punches holes pretty quick too....I always wanted to try a pair I saw in Eastwoods that has rollers and turns with a ratchet wrench...Of course,I'd hook up my air ratchet to it.Its kinda like a mini bead roller...the depth of the flange on my HF is just right most of the time.but for thicker stuff the bead roller works better.

The truth is a flanged seam is great, and the way to go for ANY seam with someone with less experience and a mig welded seam or a glued seam ...butt welded seams are great on outerskins if you have experience with a tig and metal shaping....Nothing wrong with a flanged seam. doing BOTH and knowing which one is best for a particular application is the BEST.... a flanged seam is a lot stronger though.....with much less chance of warpage...
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Just out of curiosity, how deep do you want this flange to be? Most sheet metals aren't that thick.
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