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Old 11-08-2005, 08:40 PM
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BTW, How old are you?
Ha Ha, Ha Ha, oh crap your reading my mind. I've got 3 grown kids and a 5 year old by a second marrige and he makes more sence then this guy. It's like talking to a 4 year old. I'm going to drop it I've proved my point by him NOT being able to answer my question. Carry on Oldman. I'm looking forward to this.

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Old 11-08-2005, 09:06 PM
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Anyone with common sense and mechanical ability can understand your arguements and will agree with your statements.The guy who is giving you all the BS has been very close to being banned by Jon in the past for his antagonistic and arguementative ways.Some people never learn.
If we ignore him,I'm sure he'll go away-

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Fast, I probably should have my butt kicked for getting into this but I can assure you I am through at this point,

Rat, When you contacted Snap-On did you think to ask them for some replacement handle sensors?
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:57 PM
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Look at it this way-you guys put to bed some old wive's tales and common misconceptions about torque wrenches,impact wrenches with extensions and which end of a torque wrench to use to club an a-hole.

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Old 11-09-2005, 05:41 AM
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Put to bed? LOL, has Snap-on responded yet? What were they asked? Did you ask them if it affects Tq reading depending on where you hold the wrench?
The FACTS are:
that a socket extension WILL affect Tq readings, albiet from different causes.
an extension {socket} really affects Tq transmission when using a hammer style impact wrench.
a Tq wrench will show different Tq reading depending on where the handle is held.
a flex head will affect the Tq readings {althought it is little with a 15* wrench... where your hand is placed can have a greater effect}.

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NXS, As I said I am through arguing about this but you need to read what that link says about "real world" as it is very important to what you are trying to say. You are again confusing one action with another. Will inertial forces affect an extension on a properly used torque wrench? Sure it will,(are you happy now I agree with you) any time mass is set in motion inertial forces come into play. This will affect a properly used torque wrench about like a fly landing on your head will affect your bathroom scale. DANG IT! RAMBLING AGAIN!

As far as your "facts" that proves (as if we needed more proof) just how Little you know about the basic laws of physics and common sense in general.

Have a good day

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Will inertial forces affect an extension on a properly used torque wrench? Sure it will,(are you happy now I agree with you)
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You are welcome Mr Einstein
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No, Snap-On never did respond. I had my doubts they would. There was no money in it for them.
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I am not surprised they did not respond I am sure they get hundreds of E-mails everyday and they do not have time to spend explaining something as obvious as that, But it was worth a try anyway. It really does not matter since guys like that know they are wrong but will not admit it no matter how much proof you show them and nothing anyone can say will make any difference so I gave him a chance to bail and he took it. I hope this is the end of this nonsense.
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Old 11-12-2005, 09:41 AM
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You haven't answered my question yet. How does the torque wrench handle know where your hand is? It's a hollow piece of steel. Here's my torque wrench. How does it know where I hold it?
I've got the exact same wrench. Well it started out life as a Cornwell then I had to send it in 'cause some dufus decided to fog up the lense cleaning it with carb cleaner for me when he was done borrowing it. Now it's a Snap-on (was the only cover the service center had on hand to replace my fogged up one), who'da ever guessed it was a Precision Instruments brand all this time.
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Best, You hit up on something very important about torque wrences and that is DON'T LOAN them! It may be ok if it is someone you know and trust but someone who would do sometning like what happened to your wrench is also apt to use it for a breaker handle and apply torque WAY past it's setting or even past it's design limits! I would never loan my torque wrench to anyone and I would not trust a wrench that has been used by someone that I do not trust to maintain it correctly. NEVER trust a torque wrench from a rental place because you have no idea how bad it has been abused!
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Guess what I just found on the net....LOL, I just couldn't quit.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...tml?page=1&c=y
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In a "perfect" world they don't. And I'm not saying that an extension is some magic item that soaks up chi from the unverse storing it until the end of time. I'm saying that it will affect theamount of Tq the bolt receives and what the wrench registers.
If you're so eager and really want to know go Tq a 9/16 head 3/8" bolt then add a 48" extension and do the same. Use it like you normally would, not like you're taking a test.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:07 AM
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Interesting argument. We have about 200 torque wrenches here at work that we have to certify for accuracy within +/- 10% every 3 to 6 months depending on application and 3 torque analyzers we use to verify them that are certified to NIST (National Institute of Standards and Traceability)annually. Tracking the wrenches and keeping the certifications up is part of my responsibility. One analyzer is a Skidmore-Wilhelm T3000 Digital and it just came back from it's annual certification to NIST, it's about as accurate as anything you'll find outside an actual cetification lab. I'll bring my MAC torque wrench and 24" long 3/8" extension tomorrow and do a quicky comparison at 3 different settings with and without the extension and post the results. It's time to check mine anyway.
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