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Front Fender Braces on a Model A with Heidts FE

Anybody have a good picture of the modifications needed of the front fender braces for a Model A with a Heidts independent Suspension? Also, my front fenders seem to rub slightly on the front upper control arm. Is this normal or is it because I don't yet have the fenders supported. Thanks

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Anybody have a good picture of the modifications needed of the front fender braces for a Model A with a Heidts independent Suspension? Also, my front fenders seem to rub slightly on the front upper control arm. Is this normal or is it because I don't yet have the fenders supported. Thanks
This isn't a Heidt's but TCI. The brace mods are about the same though:





Can't help you on fender to 'A' arm interference though

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Hmmm

Thanks for the shots, I have the stamped steel braces (looks u shaped) and if I bolt them to the frame where they belong, they pass right by (directly in front of and in the way) where the control arm bolts through the upper pivot. Not between the arm and the fender, in fact nothing can fit between the arm and the fender. I would need to jog the brace appoximately 1.5" forward to clear. I'll take some pics tonight and post.
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Not sure about Heidts, but with OEM MII arms my 31c fenders required an added "lump" for additional clearance around the upper A arm pivot area.

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Mustang II vs Heidts FE in a Model A and Fender Braces

I removed a MII front end in this car which I had used for years and never needed to bubble the fenders for the arms. I had the front end really low which require adjusting camber way out to compensate for the upper arms pointing upwards. This was one of the many reasons I removed this suspension. MIIs are not really a great front end for a Model A with the front rack, wide stance, etc. I used narrowed arms and lowered spindles to compensate but could never get past the look of the front rack. The Heidts unit I'm installing now is all stainless and rear rack but the upper front arms seem to barely touch the fenders (as I mock it up) and the stamped steel fender braces bolt on right where the arm pivots. I am using the stamped steel u shaped versions but I also have a set of cast iron rod type and they also interfere. Every idea I have to modify the braces tend to look hooky to me and I was hoping someone really creative had a solution. Maybe a nice aluminum brace with holes like an aircraft strut piece or something....
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What I show above are the stamped steel - and IMHO, do not look hokie. It does take several hours on each to do a clean job. The cast versions are 28-29 and wont work on a '30-'31 without significant mods. A very few early production '30's did have the cast braces, but none are being reproduced as far as I could find when I built my car and used ones - can we think scarcer then hen's teeth.

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Bumber bolts?

Dave, what's up with the bumper mount bolts? I'm thinking of just filling mine but it looks as though yours are there for a reason?
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What I show above are the stamped steel - and IMHO, do not look hokie. It does take several hours on each to do a clean job. The cast versions are 28-29 and wont work on a '30-'31 without significant mods. A very few early production '30's did have the cast braces, but none are being reproduced as far as I could find when I built my car and used ones - can we think scarcer then hen's teeth.

Waiting for your pictures too

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Dave, sorry did not mean to say yours looked hookey... I have a 29 which use a U shaped fender brace or cast brace and I meant that modifying those types to jig jag around the arm would look hookey... Too cold to work out there now, snow everywhere here in the east but I'll get the pics together soon. Thanks
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The radiator splash shield bolts to them and are there if I ever decide to install the nerf bars I have

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The radiator splash shield bolts to them and are there if I ever decide to install the nerf bars I have

I see, the apron on my 29 bolts down from the top through the hood shelves. I'd like to see the nerfs when you get them on. I have a bumper I removed but I'm considering no bumper this time
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Dave, sorry did not mean to say yours looked hookey... I have a 29 which use a U shaped fender brace or cast brace and I meant that modifying those types to jig jag around the arm would look hookey... Too cold to work out there now, snow everywhere here in the east but I'll get the pics together soon. Thanks
Not a problem - and I have seen some that didn't have a lot of thought in making the mods.

Cold and snow- it's 9* here with 12-18+/- inches of snow due by late tomorrow afternoon. I just plugged in the diesel tractor snow blower crankcase heater so I could bring it up the hill and out of the back of the house.

Those other photos - great start

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I want to build a new chassis for my 29 roadster, I bought it as an unfinished roller, , and a tired 302, Hiedt at that time said he did not build a suspension that would clear the fenders, because the geometry would be wrong if the upper A arm mounts were lowered. They still don't list a kit for fendered A's or 32's
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I want to build a new chassis for my 29 roadster, I bought it as an unfinished roller, , and a tired 302, Hiedt at that time said he did not build a suspension that would clear the fenders, because the geometry would be wrong if the upper A arm mounts were lowered. They still don't list a kit for fendered A's or 32's

Interesting - since I have seen several 'A's with Heidts. I do know Fatman wont build an 'A' or '32 IFS

There is always TCI - and mine sure works fine regardless of the fact that they supplied the wrong springs (150# corrected for the 13* angle) instead of the 300# that I needed
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I want to build a new chassis for my 29 roadster, I bought it as an unfinished roller, , and a tired 302, Hiedt at that time said he did not build a suspension that would clear the fenders, because the geometry would be wrong if the upper A arm mounts were lowered. They still don't list a kit for fendered A's or 32's
I bought a Super Ride with the narrowed arms from Heidts and it is for a full fender Model A. Notice below it says it is designed to clear the fenders.

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“Smooth” describes the ride: very low and highly steerable with no bumpsteer and built-in anti-dive. Installing the one piece crossmember is an easy one-step operation. The upper control arms are designed to clear the fenders. The 56” hub to hub tread width gives you the narrow look without any tire to fender clearance problems.

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