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Old 12-15-2009, 04:55 AM
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New member here but a longtime lurker on this subject.
Don't mess with breathing isocyonates just bad news, period.
I bought a supplied air breathing system before I ever got started on my project.
I decided my toyota daily driver was a good starting point to learn on.
Chose a single stage urethane in white to allow for cutting and buffing the paint as well as hiding the most defects.
I used a harbor freight tools sata copy gun (43430) for the primer but a quality Anest Iwata lph400 for the final paint.
I can't stress what a nice gun the Iwata is.
The results to me are acceptable considering it was painted in a shop with no
booth and poor lighting.
I did this for the learning experience, not to save money.


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Old 12-15-2009, 05:33 AM
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Looks pretty good J. Sounds like you were paying attention with what you used.SS white is great stuff for a first paint job.
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You'll never get a perfect paint job in there,first of all ,there's no such thing,second: its hard enough for a pro to to do with experience and a booth...if you want it perfect ask God to do it...Thats the problem with people that post threads like "how to get the perfect paint job" perfect to a blind man aint so perfect to a sighted person...BUT...You can get pretty good results in a temporary booth "see lacquer thinner question" theres some very good temp booths there. Painting isnt hard but it does require some practice (experience)thinking its simple or easy will get you in a lot of trouble and be very expensive.not to mention frustrating....
How about a half sighted person?
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I tell ya what color I like on a 4wd truck....MUDDDDD !!!!! Yeeeee Haaaaa!!!
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I'm having a hard time imagining you being able to pull it off in ND in December. I always wait for the right temp and overall conditions to shoot. You must have good ventilation, which to me is both garage doors open. As a garage painter myself, I urge you to wait until ambient temps are going to be above 60 degrees for at least 8 hours or so. BTW too hot or too windy will tank your job too. I tried to shoot clear on a 90 degree day with stiff, dry wind, and first, the clear was DRY before hitting the panels, and second, most of it went everywhere but the car. I was using the slowest activator, too.

Lots of stuff to bite you in the a__ when you're a garage painter. Waiting can save a lot of time, effort, and especially money, trust me.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:29 PM
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Advice!

As others have said getting a good paint job even with all the proper equipment is difficult! Pros will mess up too!

However I've seen many people do complete paint jobs in their garages. Some people do a good job..... but ..... the majority usually make some pretty big mistakes. If you really want a DIY Paint Job I would suggest getting some Water-Borne paint. The Reason: If you mess up the paint job you can get a wet cloth and wipe it off! It might be more expensive since the paint isn't common yet, but worth if for DIYer.

Another thing you could do is try to find a shop that would let you use their booth during the weekend. You might need to pay them something. If there is a local high school or community college with an Auto-Body program, you could offer your car for demonstration. Usually they don't use their booths as much shops do, so you might have more flexibility.
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I'm fairly confident with my abbility to spray down a nice paint job. I've painted a lot of things mainly production machines which the apperance wasn't to important but it made me very comfortable with a spray gun in my hand. The inside of my cab the dash inside of my door and the underside of my hood all turned out very good I'm not a pro but I'm confident with my ability to do the paint on this vechile. I'm probably am going to have to wait til spring to paint it. Have anybody ever made/used a pressure booth with air blowing into the booth and some ducts going out. My dad sujested that I make a temporary booth like that. it seems to me that it'd blow stuff around a lot.
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Ohhh oh, confidence. Just when you get a bit too much of that or start to think you got it down, or thinking its easy, something will happen to cut you down to size, and make you think your a rookie holding a spray gun for the first time again.

Try a search for positive pressure booth. Many do use that sort of setup, and suppose to keep dust from blowing out of cracks or poor seals, and your not drawing paint and solvent through a fan motor. Lots of booth setup information to be found in past threads here.
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i do have alot of confidence if i didn't i wouldn't have started a project like this. unfortunatly my confidence doesn't always match my skills. i get told every day at work that im over confident. i do make mistakes but i always feel thats its better to get into something with confidence and not be nervous about doing it. not being confident and being nervous just makes you make mistakes. just my opinion
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Boy O boy you said it Ken, I love working with a cocky painter ,the wait for disaster is sooo worth it... I especialy like pretending I dont know anything about it,when they dont know me and and just let them run off at the mouth about how good they are and how all the others arent that good. And their not hard to find either just go to a bodyshop. You can always pick out the painter.If they have less than 5 yrs exp I RXI ,you look like your doing a great job I love people with confidance but its the Over confidance that bites....asking questions is good .....I painted my very first car in my moms 2 car garage I've been a painter ever since....Q: Are there any over head heating ducts in your garage or any ducts anywhere in there?
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I built an outdoor paint booth when we painted the 66 Mustang last year. It worked really well and might be something to think about if you have the space.
http://chris66dad.tripod.com/id24.html

Be sure to wear protective equipment as everyone has suggested.

Good Luck and BE Safe
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Even if your confident in your abilities, I would still try to find a proper paint booth to use for painting the car. I've seen many people do DIY paint jobs in booths like that, and honestly some have come out well. Even my AutoBody Teacher has primed cars in his garage.

Saying that though you need to consider what can go wrong doing a DIY paint job. A paint shop would be happy to make some money on a day they aren't open for someone looking to paint their car themselves.
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A real booth is definitely ideal to work in with paint .

I called many shops locally and they all said they would not rent out because of insurance and liability. They would be responsible if I shot paint that was not compliant with local requirements and their insurance did not cover non employees.

The only option that I found was a local Junior College that had an auto repair course. I would have had to completed the first class before I could enroll in the 2nd class to actually paint.
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You can paint in your garage, but all of the opinions above apply. It's basically not a good idea. Be best to wait as suggested and let it warm up a bit. Something additionally I didn't see mentioned is that I've heard of people having problems painting in a shop/room with kerosene heater.....adhesion problems. The kerosene can leave an oily film on your vehicle.
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i'm a DIYer for everything, 99% of my paint jobs were in a garage, but i would definately wait for warmer weather! i always wet the floor down, if i'm not using jack stands i hang a chain off the frame and let it drag on floor to keep static electricty down. i would open garage door 2' put my 4 old junk yard box fans on high, crack open the back door and go to town. you can even use those HVAC forced hot air filters for the back door to keep out the bugs. i'll never forget, one paint job many years ago, on my last coat of clear here comes freekin MOTHRA!!! rite in the hood! i've painted in a booth and there is no comparison it is night and day. expect to get a run or a sag, but nothing some buffing won't fix. and invest in a very nice resporator, and don't forget to shave when you use a resporator!!!! if you don't shave it's worthless, no seal to your face
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