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Old 08-30-2006, 01:16 PM
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From that last site that Mosstrooper found by Googling Dodgy, the one that was pulled from this thread here for having a porn link... I think Dodgy's head has been X-rayed TOO MANY times... LOL

Highly inappropriate for a G-rated site like we try to maintain, but a scream nonetheless...

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Highly inappropriate for a G-rated site like we try to maintain, yes this is true...but i wouldnt cocider that porn. its kind of a grey area, i mean after all it was x rays.

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Old 08-30-2006, 01:19 PM
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Once again guys, I wasn't even alive for the "Honest" stuff, so I need to research it before commenting. Frisco is someone that I respect though, so it carries some weight for me. Plus, it really caught my eye from a semantic perspective.
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did u even watch the video. do you really want this guy even attempting to be the spoksmen for the hot rod culture. seems to me that what he is trying to do.
Yeah but is John really a better choice with his holier than thou attitude. Sorry but that guy is no worse than any other builders you see on shows nowadays.
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So what if the guy from GMG was working for corporate company. I sit behind a desk all day in a suit and tie but come weekends im driving to a show in Dickies a T-shirt sporting my piercings. Does the fact I have an office job make me less of an auto enthusiast? I like working on cars, if I chose to open a shop and build cars should I have to worry about my employment history and the reputation I may get from it?
That depends on whether the company you work for feels that its desire to profit gives it the right to ignore any rules it feels hinder its marketing efforts.

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In your personal crusade you broke our forums rules and that was no outside links to other forums.
Who broke your fora rules? Members of hotrodders.com are individuals, not representatives of a single entity such as the marketers for Gas Monkey Garage.

(BTW, such a rule seems a bit silly applied to pages on the Web, which thrives on links).

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I guess we should start a huge crusade on you guys, dig up personal info and pics, photoshop those pics and send info to SEMA and any other Hot Rod Company we can find letting them know about your atrocious behavior.
Why? Hotrodders.com, so far as I can determine, is not a member of SEMA (not being a manufacturer of anything) and is not a company trying to sell anything. Why would any other "Hot Rod Company" be interested in the fact that an individual, who happens to have registered at hotrodders.com, decided to post a link in a forum?

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We would do that but we have something you guys lack, patience, understanding and most off all, maturity.
You do not seem to lack in the ability to judge, nor lack in the ability to be illogical.
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Is'nt that the point....

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Yeah but is John really a better choice with his holier than thou attitude. Sorry but that guy is no worse than any other builders you see on shows nowadays.

Exactly. The shows you see today were'nt done by hotrodder types, they are cooked up by MARKETERS, catering to what they feel the general public wants. I would'nt want my daughter going with me to a car show and seeing Richard flipping the crowd off and trying to explain why he can get away with it. Say he does that and scares hell out of my little girl (she's 8) and she comes running up crying to me... my first reaction is gonna be to bash him over the head with whatever happens to be laying around, for being the pr*ck that he portrays. Why should I have to go to jail for assault, and he can act that way and get away with it??? Because he's a 'badboy'?? Because he has money and connections??? Hotrods are a family hobby, my daughter LOVES going to shows, she does'nt need some jerkwipe displaying his single digit IQ just because some MARKETER decided it was 'cool to be a jerk'...

Do you REALLY think the guys at OCC have to scream at each other and throw tamtrums just to get anything done? IIRC, the Jet bike show had their 'first conflict', and it was a normal gripe session kind of thing that MIGHT crop up once a week, if they are indeed building the bikes that fast. It was'nt even that big of a deal to them at the time, but when the producers saw it they LOVED the idea of portraying how dysfunctional the guys are, and made it seem like they do this sort of arguing all the time. It's also a plus that the OCC crew are mega rich and think nothing of destroying stuff that the Joe Averages that watch could never hope to keep up breaking at that rate.
Marketers also love the 'reality show' concept. No need to pay actors like they used to do with the sitcoms of the 70-80's. Just get some ppl who want their 15 minutes of TV exposure to do something shocking for maybe a chance to win what to them is a drop-in-the-bucket prize. Oh, and have them sign a waiver that they cannot get medical if they get hurt or collect syndication money down the road when they are the next re-run...

The other point is the perpetrators of this thread did'nt ask by normal means about whether they could advertise here, they just did it. As if to say "bugger off I dont care what your rules here are I'm just gonna do what I want." This 'crusade' as you call it has likely by now opened more than a few eyes as to how NOT to cater to the masses by telling them that it's better to just sit down-shut up- and like the drivel you are being spoon-fed....

Retarded children, indeed...


Go Jon GO!
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Do you REALLY think the guys at OCC have to scream at each other and throw tamtrums just to get anything done?
umm yeah, they are family. thats how it goes when your business gets thrown up on tv. if one of your family members makes a wise crack about you publicly on national television, you have to try to save face.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:30 PM
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THIS is the kind of stuff bad boys do in their spare time......

I think it'd be cool to build a "Spyhunter" type vehicle complete with smoke screens, oil slicks etc. and wait for these ********* to come rolling down my piece of interstate.......that'd be BAD!
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Honest Charlie was one of the first Hot Rod parts mail order warehouses. He sold parts mostly by ads in Hot Rod, Car Craft and the other few original magazines in the fifties. These Magazines then were 6" X 8" inches printed on news print pages in black and white. Honest Charley gained a reputation of shipping you what you ordered promply. Most was COD and pay up front with a cashier's check. Some of the other advertisers were Moon Equipment, Isky and Chet Herbert cams, Edelbrock to name a few. Reputable parts suppliers were few. People were used to adds promising the moon because there was no "Truth in Advertising" laws then.
I know this stuf because I started reading Hot Rod in 1956.


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Thanks Choctaw Bob.

I would love a straight answer from GMG, Coker, or SEMA. It's so insulting to me, and to all of us, that they would try to pull this: "It looks like my brother just had these guys build a car for him." If someone doesn't see why it's insulting, take another look at this parody page: It Looks Like....

By the way, I want to re-post Frisco's comment from a short while back:



People really need to think about that one. I wasn't even an embryo during the era that he's talking about, so I will need to research it. However, any purchase of the "Honest" name, and the repetitive use of it on the Coker blog, definitely raises an eyebrow.

Also, mosstrooper -- I'm not ignoring those dodgy pics, I'm just working on something else right now. Thanks again for helping out with research. Personally, I think dodgy needs to get his head examined, possibly even x-rayed.
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:17 PM
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OK, thanks. It looks like Henry Highrise has posted some history on Honest Charley in this thread: History of Honest Charley's . If anyone still has any of those old catalogs that they'd be willing to scan in and upload for us, please let me know. I think it would make a good "Then and Now" type of page for our new Monkey Boys Garage section.
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:31 PM
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And, here's the point I'm trying to make about semantics, and purchasing a trademark of a company name that includes the word "honest". I know it's obvious, but I want to spell it out, so all the kids can see:

1. Corky Coker and Coker Tire have not been completely honest with us, kids. And, to use the phrase "not been completely honest" is extremely generous.

2. Honest Charley opened shop in 1948, and apparently developed a reputation for honest service years ago (once again, kids, neither you nor I was born yet, but I'm taking our older guys's word on this).

3. Coker Tire, the company that has not been completely honest with us, purchased the name and trademark of "Honest Charley" in 1998, 50 years later.

4. The very first two sentences on the first page of the Coker blog, at http://blog.coker.com , say the following:

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Itís always hot in Louisville at the NSRA Nats which is held at the Kentucky Fairgrounds and this week was no different. My partner, Honest Mike Goodman and our Head-Honest-Show guy, Honest Louis took our Honest Charley gooseneck trailer up on Monday so they could have plenty of time to set up for this important event.
5. Note how the word "Honest" is used 4 times. That's weird. Have you ever heard anyone talk like that, kids?

6. By semantically associating the word "Honest" with the company name "Coker Tire", mentally retarded children might come to the conclusion that Coker Tire must indeed be honest.

7. However, if you're not stupid, kids, you know that it simply doesn't matter how many times someone says the word "honest". If they tell you the truth, they're honest. If they lie, they're not honest.


I would be really fascinated to learn more about Coker's hold on the word "Honest" in the hotrodding industry. What if someone wanted to open up a company called "Honest Jack's Hot Rod Parts"? Could Coker Tire sue them?

I wonder if it's already been done?
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:42 PM
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And, at the risk of repeating myself, let me just say this again. Because I know Coker Tire, SEMA, and many other businesses and organizations must be squirming right now. Plus, we've already seen the tactics that Coker Tire tried to use on us.

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Old 08-30-2006, 08:26 PM
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For the most part of this saga I think you may be correct in your thinking, but I think I may have to call a foul on your interpretation of the Coker Blog quote.

----It?s always hot in Louisville at the NSRA Nats which is held at the Kentucky Fairgrounds and this week was no different. My partner, Honest Mike Goodman and our Head-Honest-Show guy, Honest Louis took our Honest Charley gooseneck trailer up on Monday so they could have plenty of time to set up for this important event.----

I think maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt on this one--
It may be that they are trying to continue a time honored tradition.

I am ONLY saying this as I have read elsewhere that is how the founder of the original business behaved. Not really fair to drag this entity thru the mud at this time.

Mr. Coker (IMO) does need to answer the questions that were asked of him.
Good, bad, or indifferent, it would at this juncture be better to admit that he was a part of this---or flat deny any participation.---Either way it would improve upon the opinion I have formed of him and his business.

That being said I will now refer the the link that BstMech (Chris) posted in one of his replies.

If these uppity clowns with more money than sense are going on an 8 day cross country party that is invitation only--@13,000 each--for a charity--

Seems to me by the time the fines, booze, hotels, meals, illegal paraphanalia, buy a whirlywhopper cause your car broke, and everything else is paid---no money left for the charity


Not to mention the behavior of these idiots----Rodman in 2 accidents, and cited in both

Kudos to the Troopers around Reno.

It would be very interesting to get any type of reports of their behavior in the rest of the states they travelled thru.
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Here's my .02 on this situation....
First let me say that I did find this site from a link about this thread, but looking at the layout, it (the site) looks well done, and informative, and I decided to join up, and participate, maybe help out here and there. I especially like the way the classifieds are done, and the "auto search thingy" at the bottom of threads.

One thing that seems to be getting missed here is that GMG gets a lot of "props" for the cars they build, (just not the way they promote) but their "signiture car" the massively chopped and channeled model A coupe, was built by another young man a few years ago, and traded hands on ebay a few times, until coming into the hands of GMG. They claim to have built it, but as I understand it, just changed the engine, and resprayed it. THAT, is the main reason they catch so much flak...a general "poserness".

That being said...I think Coker Tire is getting a MAJORLY RAW DEAL here. I've dealt with them before, personally, and they treated me right. They sold a set of tires to me for the price in their old catalog because I jokingly asked if I got a discount at a show. They also took back a set of tires that a buddy bought, and had for over six months, no questions asked, just because he said he changed his mind about them. Thats customer service!

I'll admit I never saw the video...but by what I understand, his brother was on it, and G/M made a point of mentioning his last name a few times. Of course they did...It was an attempt to legitimize themselves again. I don't think Coker Tire has anything to apologize for...They had nothing to do with that video...If we were accountable for our sibling's actions, I'd be driving a Hummer instead of a Nissan!

The term "witch hunt" really comes to mind here. I think the only one that owed an apology was dodgy...HE was the one that broke the rules, not Corky Coker...but since he disappeared...the attacks were directed at Coker, and now it seems SEMA.

On a side note: If you think SEMA is going to do something about any of this...Next time a police officer appears in your rearview, and then zips past you above the posted speed limit, pull up behind him, and flash your lights, and pull him over...When he gets out of the car, tell him to write himself a ticket...That's the same reaction you would get from SEMA...Trust me, they aren't interested in hearing anything about one of their own.

Back to the subject...I see where you are going with the "Honest" thing. My grandad always used to tell me, "Boy. When a man tells you how honest he is, you'd better put your hand on your wallet!" HOWEVER...The "Honest" thing, as I'm sure you've found out by now, is a tradition of the speedshop, not "misdirection". So I think you are barking up the wrong tree!

I think when the thread turned to attacking Coker, it lost a ton of credibility. Coker had a problem a while back with a line of their tires, and customer service, but when it came to Corky's attention, he took care of the problem, and made a huge turnaround for the better in a lot of peoples eyes. They really are a STAND UP company, and although I have no ties to them, other than owning a set of their tires, it really bothers me to see the way this thread turned out...I mean, the man took the time to not only address the situation, but also had the RESPECT to read, and follow the forum rules by posting an intro first. The more a credible man and company are attacked, the less credible the campain on GMG will appear...That was the original plan right?

By following the line of reasoning that Coker is responsible for the video, and misleading representation of it just because his brother appeared in it...It could also be said that Hotrodders.com is responsible for it...after all it was an active, and registered member of Hotrodders.com that made the video, and posted it right?... See...It's just as mis-guided!

I like this board, and would like to stick around and maybe show more pics of the hotrods, that my freinds and I build, but it would be nice if it was just a hotrod board....but there seem to be a LOT of drama posts on here. I know that a few here have mentioned that they hate the HAMB and wouldn't be caught dead on it, but Off topic & drama threads are shut down quick, and the talk returns to hot rods and customs pretty quick.

I hope no one takes offense at anything that I said...It's just an observation from an "outsider" that dropped in.

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Hemihotrods, welcome to the site
Drama posts happen in the lounge, thats why its called "the lounge". In the tech section you'll find no BS and drama posts, but straight up more-than-you-can-throw-a-wrench-at tech info.
A lot of folks dont even venture into the lounge or Off Topic, but stay in the tech section.
Check out the project journals if you havent already, they're a great way to document the build up of your rod.


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Hemihotrods, welcome to the site
Drama posts happen in the lounge, thats why its called "the lounge". In the tech section you'll find no BS and drama posts, but straight up more-than-you-can-throw-a-wrench-at tech info.
A lot of folks dont even venture into the lounge or Off Topic, but stay in the tech section.
Check out the project journals if you havent already, they're a great way to document the build up of your rod.


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Well said. Mike. Kudo's to you, Bro!


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