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Old 08-31-2006, 12:16 AM
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Alright guys, something needs to be said here.

I didn't want to overtly mention this before, but here's what I mean when I say that these guys are poisoning our culture with their despicable marketing tactics.

I know we've never posted anything like this on Hotrodders.com before. I'm not a prude, but I do think that it needs to be pointed out that these guys are bringing their unacceptable tactics and propaganda into a healthy, honorable culture.

I've tried to keep this "above-board" but I can see that there's still a small group of people who just aren't seeing what's going on here.

This is an adult-only post, and to be frank, most adults are not going to want to see this anyway.

Here's why I think Corky Coker, Coker Tire, Newstalgia Wheel, or SEMA will never admit any corporate backing or association with this project, no matter what. I think that Gas Monkey Garage is pushing more than just wheels and tires. They're twisting the industry with their marketing tactics.

It wasn't a coincidence that a photograph of two people wearing nothing but "Spank My Monkey" thongs got posted on our website in connection with the mainstream hotrodding media's newest venture.

There's an extremely obvious connection here between "Gas Monkey Garage", "Dodgy Monkey Media" (the production company that produced the video), and the "Spank My Monkey" slogan: insidious marketing concepts based on sexual imagery.

Our investigation of this scandal led us to a website called BearForest.com. BearForest.com is a dating website for "bears": hairy, bear-like, homosexual men. We found a profile page for "dodgymonkey", at http://www.BearForest.com/dodgymonkey , whose username and location matched the information we have on Stephen Andrews, AKA "dodgy" from Dodgy Monkey Media and DodgyMonkey.com, the company which produced the video which was posted on Hotrodders.com, which began this entire scandal. We could be wrong, but this is how it appears. dodgymonkey's profile photo on BearForest.com was an X-ray image of a man with someone else's penis in his mouth:

link to explicit photograph

Earlier today, some of you may have noticed my reference to dodgy getting his "head x-rayed". Well, I just noticed that dodgymonkey's profile and photo on BearForest.com had been removed. That was quick. (a full screenshot of the profile is here: screenshot of profile)

Furthermore, in searching Google for the terms "dodgymonkey" and "bear", I can see that there are profile pages on other similar websites that appear to have been recently deleted.

People's freedom is their own, and they are free to do with it as they choose. Nevertheless, this sort of stuff simply doesn't belong on the Hotrodders Bulletin Board.

These guys are poisoning hotrodding culture with their marketing goals, and they need to be stopped.

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Old 08-31-2006, 05:33 AM
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That article on the bullrun was likewise informative....

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html.../28/105105.php

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Organizer Andy Duncan said the event was being taped by British television so the top Britain finishers, soap opera stars Jeremy Edwards and Will Mellor, will pick the charity to give the estimated $40,000 raised.

Unlike a normal auto race, drivers in a rally are credited for reaching check points in a certain amount of time. The rules say they must abide by the speed limit.

“This is a rally. We never, never say race,” organizer Andrew Duncan said.

Duncan is a one-time British investment banker who left the corporate world to run rallies.

Other celebrities with the $13,000 entry fee, the car with the moxie to compete and the time to kill include Samuel Jackson, Nick Lachey and Hayden Christensen.

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Wow the bull run is a charity event also! 13,000 a car entry, giving 40,000 to some undecided charity. What a turn around. Much like the tactic of this givaway.... Throw some small bit of your profits to charity and it makes all the bad stuff go away...

On another note, I find the last post a little over the line. A link with a NSFW (Not safe for work) on it would likely have been better than posting the images directly in a forum linked to your main page.
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:56 AM
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Magnus_Jager -- thanks for the research on Bullrun. It brings us back to the first post in this thread, and the whole duplicitous "help us donate to charity" marketing tactic.


I'm so sorry you had to look at that image. I'm sorry if it's offensive, or if it damages our reputation, or any of our members' reputations for associating with this board. I'm extremely sorry if anyone's children had to see it.

But I'm not sorry I posted it, I think it's the right thing to do. I felt like I didn't have a choice. I can see that these guys are trying to pull evidence off of the web right now. They know we don't post porn on this site, and I think that they'll try to use that to their advantage.

I'm looking forward to changing it to an external link with a NSFW warning soon, or, better yet, completely eliminating it from this discussion, and from our website.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:16 AM
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Jon,

I saw this whole connection going on from the first posting of the "thong" picture...I am glad that you clarified this for everyone.

I frankly do not care what people do in their own privacy, but to post junk like they did and connect it to charity is appalling. Bringing this junk to this forum is appalling also as we now have a whole group of lost youngsters that are intent on causing us problems and they are now being exposed to this filth.

I do not blame Coker Tires and David Coker for being evasive to the issue, I would not expect them to post a public apology or publicly state what actions are being taken (if any) over this.

I myself have had many problems with Subcontractors that work for me where they do something that does not fit into the scope of our business practices...when this happens I try to take care of it discreetly and, if that fails, terminate the relationship altogether (no media coverage).

The people that are cutting us down for taking action are the ones that are creating the venues for this crap in the first place...if everyone would stand up for what's right then these types of people would gradually disappear from the mainstream.

Great job calling them out Jon! Keep it up, we are behind you.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:28 AM
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Wow the bull run is a charity event also! 13,000 a car entry, giving 40,000 to some undecided charity. What a turn around. Much like the tactic of this givaway.... Throw some small bit of your profits to charity and it makes all the bad stuff go away...
when it comes down to it, any TRUE "for charity" event should be donating at least 20% of the buy in price to the charity, or should be donating a very large % of their PROFITS to charity

if my local firehall can donate 50% of their events entry fees to charity, i think the bullrun can do it too .... especialy considering the clientel the bullrun has ....

by my math, the bullrun donanted 4.5% of their buy in price to charity

thats a pissant amount ... and in this case i see it as a case of trying to get preferential treatment for their "participants" **cough-law breakers-cough**
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Old 08-31-2006, 08:38 AM
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Whew Jon, after your last post, I'm biting my tongue to keep my post from being dumped.

I wonder what COKEY CORKER has to say about this now?
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Old 08-31-2006, 09:55 AM
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My theory

Here's my theory...

--Stephen Andrews's (dodgy's) postings on alternative gay sites. It's strange to our culture, but ultimately, that's his personal lifestyle choice, and he should be able to do whatever he wants. Freedom. But it shows that he has exposure to internet alternative sexuality culture. He has no problem posting a profile on some Bear sites, and some assorted other alternative sexual sites. Plus the production company. He has ties to producers in the industry. The Playboy Playmate. She'll happily participate in Bullrun to promote her career. But on one condition. If she's driving around in a small car with a guy for a week, he better be gay.

--The questionable rust lines. Inducing rust? Old-timey "real" badboy hotrodders love a rusty ride.

--Richard's ties to Bullrun. He's the Bullrun "Impresario". Not only does he have the badboy image, but they know that he knows how to play by the rules of television. Look at how he obeys the producers in this video: Bullrun Impresario. By the way, he didn't drive that rat rod in the Bullrun rally, he drove a BMW 7-series. The rat rod was for show, to associate the "real" hotrodding market with the "Luxury Lifestyle" porn-fueled world.

--The Honest trademark purchase, and the overuse of the word Honest in Coker blog propaganda. It means something on a semantic level. If anyone here thinks it's done to honor hotrodding tradition, re-think.

--Bullrun ends up at the Playboy Mansion. I wonder if it's tied in to the bigwigs in the porn industry.

--The "quickly establishing myself as the anti-Christ of the hot rod world" line. They think that the idiot uncultured hotrodders will go for that tripe. They're disconnected with the masses, they don't know how people truly feel.

--Why won't Coker confirm or deny his participation? We made it extremely obvious that we know what's going on in our It Looks Like article. He tries intimidation. Bullying. He tries to disassociate his name with this by using semantic tricks: "I don't even know Richard Rawlings, we've never met". We school him. He tries to admit association, but he won't do it legally. The closest he comes is: "Gas Monkey should not have used our name". He tries personal attacks. He works in a world where your scripted image is EVERYTHING. The shape of your mustache is more important than most other factors. He thinks that he can win by breaking down my image. It's extremely obvious that a sponsor in a video has some sort of financial tie to the video. He won't confirm or deny. Coker is scared. You can feel the fear flowing beneath his words. He knows we've investigated Stephen Andrews, he's seen our Truth About Dodgy Monkey Media page. He knows we're going to uncover something, and he doesn't want to be in a position where he's claimed responsibility.

--Why won't David Coker show himself? He's not savvy enough, too bumbling. The older brother comes in to take care of the situation instead.

--Coker is the PERFECT sponsor for this. Huge company, plenty of money. Firm ties to SEMA. He's got the tires, his brother's got the wheels. A wheel/tire sponsor combo can be used to accompany ANY vehicle.

--We drop a hint. We say that dodgy needs to get his "head x-rayed". The porn connections start disappearing from the net.

--Why am I willing to put that pic right in the middle of a post, for everyone to see. What am I trying to show to these guys?

--The "Spank My Monkey" pic, posted in large hotrodding forums. Guerilla marketing. Plenty of hype, little money. Same thing with the Anti-Christ video.


Put the pieces together guys, I know you can do this. What does it all mean?
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:14 AM
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Put the pieces together guys, I know you can do this. What does it all mean?
Looks to me like some exploitive marketers saw all the money those greasy hotrodders toss around and decided they should cash in, too, with another get-rich-click scheme. Spammers with thongs and Beemers.

When you look at the old (and now big) company names in performance and custom, you see the results of someone pinpointing a need and then creating a business to fill that need. Isky, Edelbrock, M/T, are examples. Is GMG in that class? I think, from what I've seen, that GMG is in the same class as sellers of magic diet pills and water-burning carbs -- whatever you can sell to the suckers, in whatever way they'll swallow it, is just fine so long as you take the money and run.
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Another one:

--Why am I attracting automotive marketers to this discussion? Going through webpages with lists of automotive marketers, and telling them to come watch. Showing our members how to email them respectfully. Emailing the big automakers: Chrysler, Ford, GM.
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Another one:

--Why am I attracting automotive marketers to this discussion? Going through webpages with lists of automotive marketers, and telling them to come watch. Showing our members how to email them respectfully. Emailing the big automakers: Chrysler, Ford, GM.
Because you're determined that your next new Ford must have randomized rust patches and a big "Supreme Anti-Christ Voodoo BaddBoy" painted on the side?

Because you won't be able to sleep until you know what the CEO of GM looks like in a "Spank My Monkey" thong?

~~~running to hide in my garage~~~
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wow jon, knew you had to have a reason to keep harping on this, but you could have knocked me over with a feather.didnt see that coming at all.the photos seemed a little sick to me , but i had no idea.makes you wonder what else is going on that we dont know about
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--And what's up with all the joking around? Why am I putting so much effort into generating these parody pics that make people laugh so hard that milk comes out their noses? Why don't I just email the guys in charge of this, and tell them what we think? Also, if I want to contact automotive marketers, why don't I just write a simple email to them? Why point them to our funny material? What's the point, isn't it just wasted effort? Why did I learn how to use video editing software (a steep learning curve) just to make this one video?
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Old 08-31-2006, 11:29 AM
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--And the deep analysis of every move by the Gas Monkey Guys and Corky Coker. Breaking things down to the level of individual words, and single frames of movies. Why? Who cares? What's the point? Why don't I just prepare a post that perfectly represents our opinions, post it, and then let the discussion move on?
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Old 08-31-2006, 11:31 AM
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You can do this, guys. I know you can. Push the pieces of the puzzle in place, and you'll be looking at the complete picture. All the evidence is right in front of you.
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--And, why don't I just tell you exactly what dodgy and Corky Coker are doing here, what it's all about? Why don't I just take all the evidence, and prove the point while everyone watches and agrees? I have a reputation for being straightforward on these forums. Why play around? Why do I insist that you figure it out on your own?
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