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Getting rid of waste.

Getting rid of waste.

The number one problem of a do-it at home painter is getting rid of waste “legally”.

Body shops pay certified haulers to haul away 55 gallons of drums of waste and this is very expensive. Some shops have recyclers that convert the waste to reusable gun cleaning thinner. These recyclers cost $1500 and up and will do 5 gallons a day and more depending how big of a unit you buy.

Now dumping waste outside the garage is one illegal and second can be very expensive if caught. Not counting fines it can cost $15,000 just for a 3 foot square area to have a certified company come and dig it up, clean the dirt and replace.
You are responsible even after you sell your house, if the new owner turns you in.

Here is a picture of three months of waste in my garage. I collect my wife’s kitty liter buckets and she buys dishwashing soap in the big buckets also.
Dump all your waste, primer, base, reducer, epoxy in the bucket it will continue to gel over time and if need be buy the cheapest can of activator and dump in and stir.

It is totally illegal to dump liquid paint in you dumpster or garbage can but once in a gelled or dry form it is totally legal to place out for the garbage man to pick up.
You’re looking at 30lbs in the picture.

Another area of high volume waste is cleaning a dirty gun that has plugged up, this can result in 2-3 quarts of urethane reducer or lacquer thinner.

In the picture you will see a gallon of carb cleaner, cost is about $24, this can replace a can I had use for over 10 years. It has a tray for the cap and needle and NOTHING will clean a gun faster than carb cleaner.
The carb cleaner will not hurt plastic cups or the plastic tops, nor will it hurt the guns that are anodized.
Five minutes of soaking, hit the gun with a brush and dip again and wipe dry and run a shot glass of thinner through the gun and you’re ready to go.
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Barry, I was considering the carb cleaner as a tip of the day.
You beat me again (LOL)
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You can't legally do that in the bay area and other highly regulated VOC areas. Leaving the cans out for the VOC to evaporate will get you a hefty fine.

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OK, edumacate me! (Got to love CA)

How in sam H*** do you stop VOC's from evaporating?
If 2:1 is legal to spray but you can't have it in a mixing cup?

Do they require it in a sealed container?

If you had a 55 gallon waste drum and sealed it after every dumping that could be a bomb waiting to happen.

What does a shop do with it?

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If you have 4 OZ of mixed clear left and you put it in a quart can and seal the lid until clear is hard AS SOON as you pop the lid the voc's escape?
It can't be stopped! Well throw a match to it, I guess.

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I keep a big burn pile of limbs in my back yard.
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Yeah, everybody burning that stuff and the related Ozone damage sure has been helping to make the winters milder up here

Most shops in my area just pay to have it hauled off. The smarter shops have a recycler. And there are a few that burn brush with it I'm sure.
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I have a large garbage can full of saw dust from my wood shop.
Anything that has hardener gets poured into a can and thrown
away once hardened.
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IT's all the Bush administrations fault

Downside of using that carb cleaner is the smell, get it on you and your wife won't let you in the house until it wears off, but boy does it work good.

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i have an old hood that i spray anything left over on. i send left over paint home with the customer, he paid for it let him store it. i use a 9 in salad bar pan for cleaning my guns , . it will evap overnight. i have poured old paint on the hood and let it dry. i farm so i put nothing in the ground. i agree with barry that getting rid of waste right is important. as far as i know spraying it or letting it dry is legal. maybe not in cal but here it is.
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OK, edumacate me! (Got to love CA)

How in sam H*** do you stop VOC's from evaporating?
If 2:1 is legal to spray but you can't have it in a mixing cup?

Do they require it in a sealed container?

If you had a 55 gallon waste drum and sealed it after every dumping that could be a bomb waiting to happen.

What does a shop do with it?

Edit:
Another question or statement:
If you have 4 OZ of mixed clear left and you put it in a quart can and seal the lid until clear is hard AS SOON as you pop the lid the voc's escape?
It can't be stopped! Well throw a match to it, I guess.

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Brian,
I just checked the Southern CA law since its the toughest and could not find anything as far as the above once activated.

What are they telling you you must do with it?
Was this a Barbara Boxer law?

Barry
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We're playing hardball in Calif. An inspector will first look for loose or missing tops on your paint bench yet you can leave the "bung hole" as they call it open on the collection drum..
With the cost of materials keeping the lid on is easy...


There are so many programs and paperwork it's crazy.
First the fireman
then the water lady
then the air dude...

if you generate less than so many gallons in a 90 day period a shop can use the public drop off stations.
http://www.hhw.org/scc/assets/docs/7...eet%202005.pdf
Step 1: Qualifying

The location in which the waste is generated must be in Santa Clara County.
The business must qualify as a Conditionally Exempt Small Quantity Generator(CESQG) as defined in the California Health and Safety Code, section 25218.1 , and Code of Federal Regulations 40, Section 261.5 .
According to these codes, you must produce less than 220 lbs., or 27 gallons of hazardous waste per month, or less than 2.2 lbs. of Extremely Hazardous Waste per month.
Non-Profits, Landlords, Apartment Managers, Associaitions, and Businesses who have had hazardous waste dumped on their property are considered small businesses, and not are not exempt from disposal fees.


They got it set up so it pays to not be a succesfull business
But Arnold says he can fix that...



http://www.hhw.org/content/0,4745,si...499354,00.html
http://www.baaqmd.gov/

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I kinda like the mild winters we've been having the last few years. Mid november and no snow yet, still close to 50 for a high.
I try to mix everything as close as possible, If it is an unactivated product, just save the extra till needed again. If it is catalyzed I'll pour into a container and let it harden up, then put it in the garbage. I don't generate a lot of waste with the amount of work I do at home. Should have it shipped to california and dumped on a few trees, damn tree huggers. What a waaco state, don't think I could handle living there with all the goofy laws and thats just the start of why I wouldn't want to live in California.
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[QUOTE=baddbob]Yeah, everybody burning that stuff and the related Ozone damage sure has been helping to make the winters milder up here

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When I see pictures of my sister in-laws house where the snow is at the roof line and all you can see is a path to the front door, you should thank us polluters! She lives about 30-40 miles from you.

But now that you mention it those pictures were a few years back.
I'm still not going up there for Xmas!

My other sister in-law up there works for the DNR as a stream tester and even they are smart enough to lay her off every winter.

Glad we could help you out Bob!
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I think it was 2-3 years ago that we had really mild winters, hardly any snow. Most of the business further up north that relied on tourism in winter and places selling snowmobiles, ect were really hurting for business and had a huge inventory buildup. They were suppose to have snowmobile races just north of me, and remember they had to make snow to run the event. They may not be happy with you polluters, but I myself don't really enjoy scraping my windshield and getting instant frostbite, and shovelling snow, so pollute away I say. Maybe it will be like living in jamaica up here and you rebels down south might just burn up.
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BTW,
My persimmon seed say's (spoon) it's going to be a heavy,wet snow winter,so get ready.

Actually Bob,It's all that FREON we blew out in the past.

Nevermind that there is almost NO rain forest left. Volcano's erupting everywhere,Space Shuttle's blasting off......

I suppose it will come here at some point in time but Thangs are cool 'round here for now.
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