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Old 03-20-2005, 02:21 PM
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hello everyone i got black base with flake with candy tangerine on top hok need to shoot ghost flames i got sunrise pearl for flames how do i shoot it exactly, do i tape my flames and shoot the pearl on top of black ,flake and candy tangerine or shoot black base then the flake then tape up shoot pearl and then candy everything help thanks

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Here's a nice one..

http://www.clubhotrod.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=100366

This guy appears to do some decent work. I don't know him or anything, found it at clubhotrod.
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Another one..

http://www.customflamepainting.com/cgi-bin/parts/classifieds.cgi?db=samples&website=&language=&sess ion_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_f ormat=headlines&query=browse

Now there's some how to picks... dig around on this site, there's some great info.

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A better explaniation of WHAT your painting would help.
Are you doing the whole vehicle with the base&kandy with just the flames being ghost?
If so,Then do the base,kandy,inter coat clear or regular clear if you don't have it and scuff in 24 hrs if using regular clear coat.

Tape out the flames and mask,shoot the pearl ghost flames with a final coat of just clear.
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A better explaniation of WHAT your painting would help.
Are you doing the whole vehicle with the base&kandy with just the flames being ghost?
If so,Then do the base,kandy,inter coat clear or regular clear if you don't have it and scuff in 24 hrs if using regular clear coat.

Tape out the flames and mask,shoot the pearl ghost flames with a final coat of just clear.
ok im doing a bike 78 kawasaki i already shot the frame, i primered with self etching primer cause i sand blasted frame. then shot black base coat ,then silver mini flake with sg100 all im using is hok then 4 coats of candy tangerine then about 3 coats of clear came out killer. but now for my other parts with what i just explained where in between all that do i do ghost flames. i had some one yesterday tell me how to do it very very helpful but im open for any other suggestions would appreciate it ,im not going to use sunrise pearl nomore for flames i was told this color has pigmentation and would not work now im going to use dp23 pearl from hok its very translucent from what they tell me it has a goldish colr to it well let me know
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The ghost flames are the last graphic you do.
That's why they call them ghost.You shoot anything besides clear over them and they disappear as they are just a pearl effect anyway.
You'll need to shoot some test panels over your color scheme to get the right amount of "ghosting" your wanting.
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The ghost flames are the last graphic you do.
That's why they call them ghost.You shoot anything besides clear over them and they disappear as they are just a pearl effect anyway.
You'll need to shoot some test panels over your color scheme to get the right amount of "ghosting" your wanting.
yea but do i shoot the flames over the black base and flake only and not shoot the candy yet or do i shoot everything base ,flake, and candy and then on top of all this the ghost flames. i can do it either way but which way is easier or better, im told to mask up flames and shoot the pearl on the outline of flame shape and the over spray is what gives me ghost effect. so dont shoot the pearl in the middle or all in the flame shape just on outline is this right.
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there are a couple different ways to ghost. one is to shoot a very light coat of pearl on so its only visible when the sun reflects on the paint surface or you can paint a graphic then candy over it. both give a completely different effect but either way is considered ghosting because its a very subtle effect and you need to look for it to see. if you want the effect that you showed me in the pics then follow the directions i gave you the other day. paint the flames as you see them in the example pics you posted using the gold pearl in some sg100 then unmask and candy the whole whole thing. airbrush the gold pearl heavy on the edge and fades into the center. pull a small piece of your masking back when you think your done and check the contrast between the black base and the flame. how bold you make the flames is up to you. you should always shoot a test panel or two until you get the effect you want.
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Hey, No cheating allowed.
A picture is worth a paint job.

Yes a light kandy is cool but the laying of heavy pearl on the perimeter and fading....

KILLER!!!

Never thought of that.

mrcleaner6 is the MAN.
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there are a couple different ways to ghost. one is to shoot a very light coat of pearl on so its only visible when the sun reflects on the paint surface or you can paint a graphic then candy over it. both give a completely different effect but either way is considered ghosting because its a very subtle effect and you need to look for it to see. if you want the effect that you showed me in the pics then follow the directions i gave you the other day. paint the flames as you see them in the example pics you posted using the gold pearl in some sg100 then unmask and candy the whole whole thing. airbrush the gold pearl heavy on the edge and fades into the center. pull a small piece of your masking back when you think your done and check the contrast between the black base and the flame. how bold you make the flames is up to you. you should always shoot a test panel or two until you get the effect you want.
hello there mr.c for sure i`m going to do it your way you were very helpful i appreciate it very much i had posted this before i had spoken with you i already bought the pearl dp23 egyptian gold looks kool i plan to maybe do the test panels and possibly do the flames this weekend ik we can get to a space in the paintbooth i`ll let you know again thank you and all who helped you to bee
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