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Old 06-13-2005, 09:56 AM
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Glasurit Saved Me (ppg Stuff For Sale,cheap)

Had a problem a while back with a silver complete i was doing far a friend.I tried most all of the suggestions ,shoot it wetter , shoot it drier ,lower air press ,criss cross ,higher air press,pull back ,get closer,add hardner to the color . Needless to say nothing worked. I even had a diffrent jobber mix the color with the same results.

Called the shop that painted the car we saw with the color my friend picked ,and asked them if they had problems with it. They tried first with Dupont and went through the same thing I was going through. Told me they finally got it with Glasurit.

I had a pint mixed up grabbed an old hood ,did a quick prep and bingo Perfict!! No blotches no clouds easy as pie. I shoot mostly HOC and Glasurit shoots exactly the same.

I shot the car , same as the hood ,came out perfict. Took 2 coats.

I sprayed this car 3 times before switching lines, trying diffrent things ,calling reps asking questions I couldn't get it with PPG .as you guys all know thats a lot of extra prep work (blocking,masking ect...) a couple good things that came out of this was finding a new line that i love to spray and finding a jobber that will go that extra mile for a customer.The owner of this store gave me his home and cell #s and said if i had problems to call and he would come out and help ,WOW Hats off to ARNIES in JOILET IL.

Anyone else having a problem with a metallic give Glasurit a try , now i can finally get some sleep!

Having a garage sale lots of PPG stuff (CHEAP) lol

Dave

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Old 06-13-2005, 10:21 AM
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Funny timing!
Tuesday going to Boone, NC to try and help a guy spray silver PPG.
This guy is one of the best painters I know and has been fighting the clouding issue for three weeks.
Not sure what I can do to help this guy so I told him I would bring 5-6 different base guns to see if we can make it work.
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Barry I've been following your posts for a while and all i can say is your my hero. I was almost ready to send you a plane ticket.
Good luck with the job in BOONE,if any one can get er you can.
I tried my lph400 (1.3) and my sata 2000 (1.4) no luck for me.

Shot the glasurit with my iwata ,perf!!!

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I'm hoping to solve the problem with an HVLP.
I'd rather take a beating than do this but I have known this guy a long time and the PPG rep has been no help to him at all.
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Funny timing!
Tuesday going to Boone, NC to try and help a guy spray silver PPG.
This guy is one of the best painters I know and has been fighting the clouding issue for three weeks.
Not sure what I can do to help this guy so I told him I would bring 5-6 different base guns to see if we can make it work.
Is this problem with the Global line? I've never ever had any metalic control problems with DBC or DBU but Global has given me a few challenges along with everyone else I know that sprays the stuff. No Glasurit suppliers in my neck of the woods.
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Hmm, funny. I never had any problems with dbc metallic either, well once I finally ditched the conventional gun when I got an accuspray hvlp. With the conventional had to do dryer spray and lots of mistcoating. I haven't shot the global line. About the only weird thing I ever had happen was painting a hood. The base layed down good, no mottling or anything. Let sit, sprayed clear after it sat awhile. The metallic formed a circular pattern on the hood, on first coat of clear, ohh great. As the clear flashed off a bit it all settled back good. Did that on all three coats of clear. I still don't know what was going on there. That was back when I only had a conventional gun, and didn't overload the clear, I let the base sit awhile and didn't spray the first coat of clear on real heavy so it shouldn't have moved the metallic. I can't remember if it was with dbu or dbc. A lot of people have spoke highly of glasurite, but I have never used it. One of the few I haven't
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I used PPG for a while (dbc) but after many mis-matches etc i switched to dupont and honestly havent had one serious problem yet. im not sure if the ppg jobber was just a bunch of idiots...well, maybe it was because they have a women mixing paint there HAHAHAH.. but seems like the dupont is much better and turned out to be alot cheaper.. again maybe it was the other jobber ripping me off. i havent had a need to switch paint lines since..
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Really, when I used Dupont at the bodyshop years ago, had a few problems with chromabase matching. All paint can mismatch though. Thats why you need to find the best formula or alternate for match and do spray out tests.
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Is this problem with the Global line? I've never ever had any metalic control problems with DBC or DBU but Global has given me a few challenges along with everyone else I know that sprays the stuff. No Glasurit suppliers in my neck of the woods.
Not Global but will find out today what line.

I have never herd of a complaint with global except blending issues sometimes.
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Color code is WV2 Nissan in DBU.

Here is the deal I carried 3 hvlps 1.3 GEO AND A 1.5 Geo fx97 (that 1.5 =1.4)
and a Sata RP 1.4. These GEO's in my book are the best base guns I have and I will admit right now I'm not a good enough painter to paint that color in PPG.
Yes, you could do a fender and door and make it pass but not a 56 Chevy allover. It cannot be done and get a job like he is use to doing.
Hes going to try Global tomorrow.

I'm a defeated person right now.
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Barry the color i had problems with was also a nissan color .Code ky0.

Very interesting!

To badbob, the ppg i had problems with was dbc,I tried it with and without hardner.

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He had a pint of Dupont and no problem.

They use a stabilizer or spacer for metallics to give metallic control either by jobber adding with some lines or in the tints with others.

It sprayed like it was left out. However he had another batch just mixed so you know that was not the problem.

I have sprayed a lot of global and dbu metallics and never had a problem but I have herd a number of painters complain in last couple of months.

For this to look good it would need to be dry sprayed and that would be OK on a collision repair but not going to cut it on a street rod.

Paint instructor where are you?
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Barry the shop i painted this car at is a dupont shop so we tried it and no problem with met. control but the color wasn't even close. Shot the ppg on an old door then put the dupont right next to it ,it was like black n white.

We looked at the dupont formula and saw that it called for (flop control) ppgs does not.????

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Color code is WV2 Nissan in DBU.

Here is the deal I carried 3 hvlps 1.3 GEO AND A 1.5 Geo fx97 (that 1.5 =1.4)
and a Sata RP 1.4. These GEO's in my book are the best base guns I have and I will admit right now I'm not a good enough painter to paint that color in PPG.
Yes, you could do a fender and door and make it pass but not a 56 Chevy allover. It cannot be done and get a job like he is use to doing.
Hes going to try Global tomorrow.

I'm a defeated person right now.
I bet there will be more of a problem with that color in Global.
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