[blight]

http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/...mvsstealthram/
some numbers


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Im going to give kinsler a call monday and see what they have to say

[crazypj]

Suzuki M109 has 56m throttle bodies.
Two of them on a common plenum could be quite interesting
Friend did a small block (I think 350?) with a pair of TL1000R throttle bodies with dual injectors (4 injectors total)
One thing about modern motorcycles, they flow a LOT of air
Small displacement moving 16,000 rpm uses almost same amount of air as engine 4~5 times the capacity.
VE is as much as 130% compared to 80%(?) for SBC at 7,000rpm

[blight]

Originally Posted by crazypj

Suzuki M109 has 56m throttle bodies.
Two of them on a common plenum could be quite interesting
Friend did a small block (I think 350?) with a pair of TL1000R throttle bodies with dual injectors (4 injectors total)
One thing about modern motorcycles, they flow a LOT of air
Small displacement moving 16,000 rpm uses almost same amount of air as engine 4~5 times the capacity.
VE is as much as 130% compared to 80%(?) for SBC at 7,000rpm

Pictures and info on his build?

[ap72]

Running a common plenum defeats the purpose of using bike carbs since its not an IR setup. The easiest way to select bike carbs is power per carb, if 4 make 200hp on a bike then they should be ok to use 8 of them for 400hp. The problem is there aren't many carbed 4cylinder 200hp bikes...

[blight]

I had zero chance to call them today- but look what i found.

http://www.twminduction.com/v8_kits/chevy.html

[Northstar T]

Originally Posted by blight

I had zero chance to call them today- but look what i found.

http://www.twminduction.com/v8_kits/chevy.html

Yup. they've been around a few years. nice looking stuff, but too rich for my blood. As I recall, the induction setup for SBC runs about 4.5K, and then you must supply your own ECM and wiring.

Russ

[blight]

I have another contact in a different forum that is in the process of building a single plane crankshaft for a sbc (paul- is nuts...) He has a strong belief in that (the xram)manifold. I am going to try and get a hold about him about it, to see why he thinks it can support higher rpm then what is listed by them.

[blight]

GREAT NEWS! so I got a hold of procomp i was thinking about it and really that doesn't make much sense that the rpm range on that manifold was so low of a rpm range.

steve extension #104
looked it up in his book and said "no- that listing is very wrong the range on that manifold is from 3500rpm to 7500rpm."

this is in relation to part #PC3204

He also will be sending me a setup they ran on a ford (itb and efi) that he thinks i will be able to run with a bit of fab work. The only thing (according to him) that they don't have for the chevy manifold yet, is the linkage. as soon as i see that i will update.

So this project is backup as far as i am concerned. Also kinsler yeah i got a quote for $4800 no thank you sir, i can make mine for way less. They did give me a hit up on some info on sizing. I was told for the power and rpm this will be making a 48-50mm throttle body is what i will be needing.

Updates soon.

[blight]

Stan Chatwood
National Sales Representative
Tel: (909) 605 1123 Extension 104

so this is what i received via email from stan.

more to come.

[blight]

"I quoted you a few things. The $350 was for just the chevy manifold that these throttle bodies would set on.

This manifold goes for $1000 as pictured.

Can sell you the throttle bodies and the chevy manifold for $900

Don’t have the linkage for this set up yet.

It has been done though.

The throttle bodies are 52mm"

stan
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What do you guys think? for one 52mm is a bit big is it not? Also stupid question the threaded holes to the throttle bodies- those appear to be for injectors - but are threaded? lastly i don't see a spot for vacuum lines.

[Northstar T]

Originally Posted by blight

"I quoted you a few things. The $350 was for just the chevy manifold that these throttle bodies would set on.

This manifold goes for $1000 as pictured.

Can sell you the throttle bodies and the chevy manifold for $900

Don’t have the linkage for this set up yet.

It has been done though.

The throttle bodies are 52mm"

stan
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What do you guys think? for one 52mm is a bit big is it not? Also stupid question the threaded holes to the throttle bodies- those appear to be for injectors - but are threaded? lastly i don't see a spot for vacuum lines.

I'm not seeing threaded holes for the injectors. they look normal to me. {shrug}.

it may not be ideal in size, but I'd say 9oo is such a good price for what you get, which amounts to a darn good start on a nice system, that I'd personally go for it. you wanted a high rpm system, so the size might actually work out for your particular needs. vacuum lines could easily be drilled into the spacer block under the TBs, as well as IAC ports etc. you'd also need to fab fuel rails, linkage, and a few other details, but overall, like I said, I think it's a very reasonable start for what you want to accomplish.

Russ

[blight]

Originally Posted by Northstar T

I'm not seeing threaded holes for the injectors. they look normal to me. {shrug}.

it may not be ideal in size, but I'd say 9oo is such a good price for what you get, which amounts to a darn good start on a nice system, that I'd personally go for it. you wanted a high rpm system, so the size might actually work out for your particular needs. vacuum lines could easily be drilled into the spacer block under the TBs, as well as IAC ports etc. you'd also need to fab fuel rails, linkage, and a few other details, but overall, like I said, I think it's a very reasonable start for what you want to accomplish.

Russ

I appreciate your professional opinion- seriously. I will be ordering these up.

[Northstar T]

Originally Posted by blight

I appreciate your professional opinion- seriously. I will be ordering these up.

Cool! have you considered what you'll be using for an ECM yet? I'm partial to the Holly HP system for a ready to go unit. Also the GM 7730 is still a great unit IMHO, and very well hacked, if you're willing and able to do some tweaking with it to get it ready for your system. the Third gen forum can help you out a lot if you get in a jam on the 7730. I have one of each of these systems running on a car at the moment, and they both work about the same in the end. 7730 is cheeper of course, but the Holly is much more flexible and easily tuned with a lap top (+ the Holly self tuning works excellent).

looking forward to seeing it run.

Russ

[blight]

obd1 ecm ( i have a 86 iroc ecm) with the moates ostrich. look into the ostrich!

[ap72]

MS user here and LOVING it. I don't know if there is another cheap user friendly option out there. There are some that are user friendly and some that are cheap, but MS is both.