Just saw another forum posting about this: http://www.gofastzone.com/index.php?topic=6912 . Looks like James posted his "explanation" -- I'm curious to see how that turns out.

I'll be putting a page together about "powerjon" as well. Johnunit -- good call on the "1990 Ford Focus", I totally missed that one.

I wonder who's more honest? Powermelissa, powerjon, or powerjames?

That "SpammerTV" graphic is hilarious .

Booger et al, Jon just happens to speak for me since he agrees 100% with my views but sure doesn't define my views on this subject. This was the ONLY forum of any kind in which I have participated for the 4 or 5 years I have been web active. I have recently started participating on Hot Heads' little dialog but only because they seem to follow Jon's principles. There isn't ANY overriding value I cold derive from a forum which allows proved liars free access any more than I can tolerate the foul language that permeates most of the other forums.

You can bad mouth Jon all you want but you look pretty foolish to those of us (50,000 or so) who 'get' what Jon's forum is all about. I suggest you stop spouting off and just peruse this place for a while (LOTS of good car info you could surely use too!!) and it will eventually dawn on you how different and pleasant a place it is and why Jon MUST joust this wind mill.

No, I don't think so. Its much more fun listening to your constant babbling and whining. Hmmmm....... my grandson does that and he's still in diapers.

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Here's another forum posting about this: http://clubcobra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80818 .

Including us, that brings the total to 25 forums posting about this. Thanks to everyone for their support -- this is really working .

The complete list, with links to all the relevant threads, is at the top of the Tenneco page here: http://spankmymarketer.com/tenneco.html.

Whoa -- I just noticed over 50 people browsing this thread. Checked our referral logs, and it looks like the bulk of the traffic is coming from yet another forum posting about this -- LS1GTO.com: http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213119 . I read about a few other sites in that thread that are spreading the word too. I've been seeing some of those in our referral logs, but didn't want to post them, because the threads weren't publicly accessible (not sure if they were moderator forum threads, etc.). Anyway, those guys seem savvy, and it looks like they're even prepping some pics for parodies and other assorted acts of ownage.

One of the cool things that's coming out of this is that we're finding lots more hotrodding sites to add to our Crankshaft Coalition Master List of Hotrodding Forums.

I did spread the word over at thirdgen.com
Even managed to get an answer form James Lawrence, the founder of power tv. His nickname over there is nmrajames:

Dear 3rd Gen Forum Users, Moderators & Admins:

My name is James Lawrence and I am the founder of powerTV.

I was asked by the Mods and Owners of this site not to post further videos unless we would become involved/sponsor the site and course we will honor that request.

And, while I agree with all efforts to reduce SPAM and corporate bullying and marketing tactics - the presentation of the facts and Jonathan Rubenstein's motives are not what they appear to be.

Jonathan Rubenstein is one of SEMA's biggest critics, and has conducted a withering attack on them recently. I defended SEMA when Jonathan sent out a SPAM anti-SEMA e-mail to the SEMA membership directory, got into a huge debate with John, and next thing I find myself and powerTV the target. That does not mean his cause doesn't have merit, nor that we are without fault, but that is where it started. He then uses his web site as an attack vehicle.

You can see a detailed reply to this issue here.

I will say that should do a better job communicating with forum members and moderators about what we are what we do, and at least in that capacity, we have a lot to learn.

We have now created a FAQ that outlines what powerTV is and are linking to that FAQ in our signature so people can read for themselves.

You can see it here if you choose.

Hopefully we can do a better job with sites like this which are so valuable to the hot rodding community.

Isn't it beatiful? All he wants is the very best for us and our cars (and piece on earth & all that stuff of course)!

Lets have a group hug!

Nice job letting people know

I've seen a similar post on other forums. In case anyone's interested, here's the link on PowerTV's site that James Lawrence (the CEO of PowerTV) is referring people to: http://www.powertvonline.com/forum/...read.php?t=1286 . It's a discussion on PowerTV's forums. However, the entire "discussion" is 3 posts, all by James, and then James locks the thread. That's the same one that got deleted from Corral.net. You've got to read it, if only to see the part where he compares me to "the anti-abortion radical movement that went so far as to start murdering doctors."

My father's a doctor -- I think he's going to get a kick out of that one .

It's unfortunate that he's not answering the issues, and instead trying to attack me personally. Nevertheless, most of his "defense" posts are now accompanied by a statement indicating that he's been told not to post any more videos. It looks like the admins are putting a stop to PowerTV's video posting, and then, in all fairness, letting James post his version of the events.

There are plenty of gems in James's defense of PowerTV. This is one of my favorites:



If you Google for some of the PowerTV usernames (powermelissa, powerjon, etc.), plus the word "banned", you'll start to see some other forums that have just quietly banned James, powermelissa, and powerjon.

In fact, it looks like LS1GTO.com just came to that same conclusion.

Yea, like start with NOT LYING OUT OF EVERY ORIFICE IN YOUR BODY!

My goodness, what an emotional rollercoaster..lol, just finished reading the Powertvonline post that James posted, what a crock. I would like to get his definitions on 'upfront, spam, honesty, destroy' and a few others, I've got to get to work though. He does more backpedaling than Sugar Ray Leonard did in his entire career. I'm wondering this as a big question: If they don't make money with videos, how do they exist? What pays the bills? C'mon, you're not in this business (James) to provide free entertainment!
On a lighter note, I finally hit 1000 posts, only took 6 years!
Dan

Jon,

Just came to the site after an extended absence. I have read through the whole thread. I am not sure if I have the interpretation correct on the activities that have gone on, but I think I do. The objections of CorralDude and BoogerMSDR seem to revolve around the idea that you were attempting to tell them how to run their websites by banning the advertising from PowerTV. Their main complaint is that you listed their websites as ones that are allowing the advertising/videos to exist. If I understood your notification to these websites it was to advise them of what was exactly going on with the promotions of PowerTV and PowerMelissa/PowerJon and any others posting under associated names with ties to PowerTV. It was not to say to the individual websites to ban them because they were doing this but to simply advise them of what they were doing. It was an attempt to make them aware, in case they did not know, of just how these advertisements/videos promotions were being done. If I am wrong you can correct me on this.

The PowerTV rangers must have been reviewing every website/forum in order for Mr. Lawrence to pick up on your notification to all of these websites/forums of the way they were introducing their advertisements/videos to forums through postings. He made a response to your notification and this is what has now transpired. I make no claim to know if his argument is valid or not. I have not read your notification to other websites and I have not delved into Mr. Lawrence's responses to your informational data. What transpired between SEMA, Manufacturers, PowerTV representatives and you is something only them and you know.

As I take it, CorralDude and Booger took a personal affront to you simply notifying them of the situation. Their only defense to coming on this forum and posting is that you did it on theirs. The difference as I see it is that you were simply trying to inform them of what PowerTV was doing and not trying to sway them in any way on their decision to allow it or ban it on their websites. I doubt that your notification was argumentative unlike their responses on this forum to your position. In fact, I notice that they came here to post their derisive comments instead of posting them on their own sites. Booger seems incensed that you included his website as one of the sites where PowerTV was posting and requested you remove his name from your list. OK. If it were me I would do so. Maybe you'd be rid of him by now. By listing his website you were only indicating that the advertisements/videos were running there and not criticizing them for allowing them to run. It was a statement of fact. Booger took it as something else.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth, which probably aren't much considering who they came from. Keep up the good work!!!!!

Steve

James Lawrence's mea culpa in the forums that were discussing the HR campaign: "I will say that should do a better job communicating with forum members and moderators about what we are what we do, and at least in that capacity, we have a lot to learn."

I'm curious to know if Mr. Lawrence made this same declaration the forums he spammed that are not discussing this campaign.

If not, it seems this statement would be hogwash damage control in an attempt to appear humble.

reflog -- Yes, I think that's the source of some of the tension involving Corral Dude and Booger@MSDR. On The PowerTV page that I'm making for SpankMyMarketer.com, I'm separately listing all of the sites that have allowed PowerTV to post on their forums. This should help clear up any confusion.

I'm communicating with these sites more discreetly -- emailing the admins, rather than posting publicly in the discussions. I think that's showing people that my aim is to inform, rather than to attempt to sway opinions by jumping onto forums with guns blazing. You can see an example of an email that I sent in this post in this thread. Most of the emails were similarly worded, although they were all unique, and individually written.

I'm actually surprised that more admins haven't sided with PowerTV. Out of all the sites, there have only been 2 admins so far that have (at least, in some part) stuck up for PowerTV in this thread.

There's plenty of gold in James's defense thread. I don't know how long it will be up, but I've saved it for future enjoyment. I also like when he attempts to use his ownership of a dyno as a demonstration of his lack of bias:



"Good", "true", "honest", "to tell the truth".

It's all part of context:

Good = I like it

True, Honest = I didn't tell any real BIG lies, at least that I think I will get caught at.

All the magazines that write anything about products of advertisers have at least some little bias, negatives are softened and most articles follow my mother's rules: "if you can't say something good don't say anything". That's true across a lot of hobbies (boats, fishing, guns), not just cars.

That's OK for powerTV on their nickle, their bandwidth, you can decide for yourself whether you want to watch or believe, just like beer ads during the superbowl.

I don't even mind the concept of non-traditional promotion type marketing, as long as they are not trespassing on your bandwidth.

Bingo! To each his own, advertise all you want, any (legal) way you want. How else will I know about all the neat widgets out there? Just don't come on a bulletin board trying to look like an enthusiast, BOLD FACED LYING, surreptitiously circumventing the rules of the board, and expect to be treated as 'one of the guys/gals'.

oh sweet, i can get a job at tenneco too !

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