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Old 01-21-2007, 06:33 AM
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Hallcraft wire wheel bearings

I got a tip on a pair of Hallcraft wirewheels that I am going to use on my bucket. ($300!) I want to replace the bearings and seals. Total Performance has them at $70 a set.(I think) I'm trying to get them local (Auto Zone, etc.) Does anyone know what size these bearings and seals are and if they are comparable to something I can get at an auto parts store? My spindles are early Ford.

Also, I want to have them powder coated. Has anyone had this done before? Did you have to break the entire wheel down? Like have the spokes and other parts removed and done separate.

I really like the look of wires on a T, But I don't want to drop a fortune on these.

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Old 01-21-2007, 07:53 AM
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I got a tip on a pair of Hallcraft wirewheels that I am going to use on my bucket. ($300!) I want to replace the bearings and seals. Total Performance has them at $70 a set.(I think) I'm trying to get them local (Auto Zone, etc.) Does anyone know what size these bearings and seals are and if they are comparable to something I can get at an auto parts store? My spindles are early Ford.

Also, I want to have them powder coated. Has anyone had this done before? Did you have to break the entire wheel down? Like have the spokes and other parts removed and done separate.

I really like the look of wires on a T, But I don't want to drop a fortune on these.
Tfever

Bearings are standard - I can't give you the part numbers for Ford spindles as I used the TP spindles which are based on '49-54 Chevys but give TP a call and tell them what you want to know - they were always helpful for my questions.

Unfortunately you will have to break the wheels down for powder coat (can I assume the wheels you are looking at are pitted - mine had some pits regardless of how well I cleaned them). Spokes have to be loose in the wheel and do flex some while running and the wheels do occasionally need truing up( a real PITA) - powder coating will seal them.

I think there are better choices now then an old set of Hallcrafts - and you can only buy spokes from TP - they own Hallcraft. But with that said, if they are in nice shape, they do really set off a bucket.

Also, you are NOT limited to the crap Chinese tires that TP sells - I used a set of Michelins(too big) then changed to a set of Dunlop F-11 100/90H-18 motorcycle tires which were perfect.

The car is now long gone to a new home though I still do have a lot of info on file.

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Thanks, Ireland. That sounds like a lot more trouble than it's worth. I guess I'll stick with regular wheels and tires and save these for the next swap meet and try to get some of my money back. They sure do look nice on a bucket though.
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Thanks, Ireland. That sounds like a lot more trouble than it's worth. I guess I'll stick with regular wheels ... .
Good decision (IMHO tho)
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Okay, I just found out they they are sealed to run tubeless tires. (I should have looked at the tires.... duh) They are also made to not need truing (supposedly). Now my concern is that the powdercoating process may ruin the silicone seal or will they possibly seal just as good?

This is going to require much thought. Is the look of wirewheels better than what I know WILL work? I hate thinking this hard.

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Okay, I just found out they they are sealed to run tubeless tires. (I should have looked at the tires.... duh) They are also made to not need truing. Now my concern is that the powdercoating process may ruin the silicone seal or will they possibly seal just as good?
Yes, the powder coating will ruin the silicone - the coating has to be baked at 375F to 400F. Evidently someone just siliconed the spoke ends to run tubeless but that still will not prevent the spokes from moving a bit. Secondly, if these spokes are, as every other Hallcraft I have seen, adjustable - there is always the possibility of the wheel going out true - especially if you were to, say, hit a big hole in the road or snag a curb - and I'm speaking from personal experience. You would then ruin the power coat.

Another consideration - spokes cross each other and do touch -that constant touching and rubbing is not condusive to PC.

Lastly - the chrome needs to be media blasted totally from the entire wheel surface - including the hub - tough to do right with spokes threaded. thru it and, again, touching each other.

Even if you wanted to paint these wheels, you still have to remove the chrome to base steel for paint longevity. Which entails despoking.

By the time you are done - you could probably have bought a set of Mickey Lauia's latest and greatest 16 or 18 inch Hallcraft wheels.

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Yea, what you say makes good sense, Ireland. I wish I would have had the time to check things out before I got the offer for them. I always get bit in the butt when I don't do my research. I'll file this under "Learning Experiences" and go with the chrome steelies I had planned on.

I guess the good part is that I don't have a wife to complain about the Hallcraft paper weights I now own.
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Yea, what you say makes good sense, Ireland. I wish I would have had the time to check things out before I got the offer for them. I always get bit in the butt when I don't do my research. I'll file this under "Learning Experiences" and go with the chrome steelies I had planned on.

I guess the good part is that I don't have a wife to complain about the Hallcraft paper weights I now own.
Something like the 2 extra Billet Specialties GTX01 $900 worth of wheels and Yokohama tires that I have. I mismeasured backspacing - oops !! And I have a wife to complain about a cellar full of extra (expensive) parts. But, thankfully seldom will - so will keep her.

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Yea, what you say makes good sense, Ireland. I wish I would have had the time to check things out before I got the offer for them. I always get bit in the butt when I don't do my research. I'll file this under "Learning Experiences" and go with the chrome steelies I had planned on.

I guess the good part is that I don't have a wife to complain about the Hallcraft paper weights I now own.
What kind of shape are they in, I might be interested in them for the right price. Can you post up a pic or two
I also have some Cragar SST's 7" if you want to do a partial trade or something.
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What kind of shape are they in, I might be interested in them for the right price. Can you post up a pic or two
I also have some Cragar SST's 7" if you want to do a partial trade or something.
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One is in good shape. Minor pitting. The chrome is peeling off the rim on the other one. They will for sure need to be rechromed or coated or painted. They have Hallcraft calipers in good shape and mounting brakets to fit an early Ford spindle.

I'm going to take them to the powdercoaters tomorrow morning to see what they say. If it still looks hopeless I will sell them . You will have first choice. I'd settle for a $150 to ease the sting on this deal. I'll get pics if I sell them.
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One is in good shape. Minor pitting. The chrome is peeling off the rim on the other one. They will for sure need to be rechromed or coated or painted. They have Hallcraft calipers in good shape and mounting brakets to fit an early Ford spindle.

I'm going to take them to the powdercoaters tomorrow morning to see what they say. If it still looks hopeless I will sell them . You will have first choice. I'd settle for a $150 to ease the sting on this deal. I'll get pics if I sell them.
Thanks, I have them on my T-Bucket now and I wouldnt mind a spare that is usable.
Let me know
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Thanks, I have them on my T-Bucket now and I wouldnt mind a spare that is usable.
Let me know
Well, the powder coaters can coat them whether I break them down or not for$125. My boss, who rides motorcycles says he knows how to break them down and retrue them. So, I'm going to keep them. Lucky for me I have time and I'm not in a hurry. I guess I'll have to drop $70 to Total to get the bearings and seals. I just can't help knowing that I could save some money if I knew what bearings are compatable to an early Ford spindle. Or does it even matter? Tomorrow, I'll take them to Autozone and see if they can match them. Maybe I'll get lucky.
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