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Old 07-27-2005, 06:19 PM
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Hanging a quarter?

Can I hang a 78 camaro quarterpanel with no suspension?
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:38 PM
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I'm not familiar with camaro suspensions. Do you need the suspension to hang the panel? Do you mean, "do I need the suspension IN PLACE so I can hang the quarter panel in the right spot?"
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in my opinion , you need to have your suspension loaded when you hang that quarter. otherwise your gaps will be all screwed up when you drop that car on the ground.
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Agreed, you need the suspension loaded to properly fit panels. Mock up everything you possibly can to have it as close to what it will be " finished product" so that you dont have anything to come back and haunt you later on... Tack in your quarter, test fit everything just like you were putting the car back together and make adjustments... Best of luck

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I reckon it does´nt matter as the connection body/suspension is flexible and the car standing level.
But saying that, it would be best to set the body on jack stands leveled front/back and left/right, positioned so there is no sag in the middle.Bodies are assembled at the factory before being mated to the running gear.

Just found this with some piccys http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/t...ace/index.html

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Here`s the problem

I have to hang the quarter as per Malc`s thread, I removed quarter with
original suspension in place,but I am tubbing the car and old suspension is
long gone ,so the car is bolted to a 4'x10' frame, made with 2"x3"
rectangle steel, rolling on 5" casters. I went to alot of trouble to make sure it was level,all of that work was done so I could replace the rockers,tail light panel,and hang the R-side quarter before cutting out the trunk and rear floorboards for the narrowed framerails. I can`t cut anything out without the quarter installed,I`m just glad theres an alternative to my haste. Any other input will be more than welcome. Thanks
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Old 07-28-2005, 06:32 PM
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Its true, the cars were assembled as a shell before getting anything bolted to them. I dont know the factory had jigs that helped maintain key locations or not.

But, I will toss out one thing to take into consideration. The quality of your new quarter panel may not be that good. Aftermarket quarters and even the GM restoration ones leave something to be desired. Search around online and you will read horror stories about guys sectioning new sheet metal to make it fit.

As an example I bought a GM original door skin (from the dealer) for a 67 Camaro. I installed the skin in the normal manner and when I went to install the door, the back edge (that mates to front of rear quarter) was not parallel with the quarter when the bottom of the door was parallel with the rocker panel. This is a common problem.

I ended up marking a line (guaged off the quarter) and grinding the back of the door down and then TIG welding the back seam. Looked like a million bucks but was a step I had not planned on. Actually, if I had known there would be a problem, I might have straightened original skin instead.

My point is.. DONT trust the new quarter to be your guide. Get it vice-gripped in place (or tacked) and install the trunk, doors, etc and give it a good look. Don't twist the car out of shape to match the quarter.

Just my experience, actual mileage may vary.

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It all depends what your looking for in the end i'd say. Is this some sort of car that needs to be so perfect that everyone will notice if things are shifted a little tiny bit?

Just be careful, the idea of tacking it lightly and fitting the doors are trunk is a good one, and that's all i plan on doing, my car is cut into a billion pieces, and is flexed out of wack for sure, so when im putting it back together i'll just have to be careful to make things line up, and that will be good enough for me. Then im building a perimeter frame around the body and that isn't going to flex, so suspension wont really matter at that stage (isn't going to change the body at all)

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I just finished a 73 Z-28. Let me tell you, even a Goodmark is off here and there. I found problems with the rocker panel and the rear tail panel. Took some cutting and grinding.

If it were ME , I would finish hanging the suspension, and THEN hang the quarters. Look at my project journal for the axle supports I used. They're pretty easy to build and you can work in there witout hitting them. Jackstands would have worked too, but not on my lift.
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Install and align the doors and decklid before taking the original quarters off. Install and adjust the fit of the new panel using the doors and decklid for alignment, trial fit the bumper-especially if the outerwheel house and trunk floor extension is being replaced. Alignment and panel prep prior to installion are keys to success. Also-consider scuffing the inside of the quarter panel prior to installation if this piece is going to be primed and painted on the inside, scuffing off the car is a heck of a lot easier than when it's installed. The rear suspension should be installed and the vehicle weight should be supported by the suspension when the quarter is installed-but usually with these unibody designs you'll be fine if the shell is supported near the rear suspension mounting points.
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Thanks for all the info,Rich ,I found a junkyard 78 camaro and bought
the backend for $300. So I cut off the full quarter I needed and bought
L&R side 70% aftermarket quarters for rust repair at trunk dropoffs and
where quarter meets rocker,also Mike,alot of tubbed cars are out of whack,
probably why they call it butchering,sounds like your restoring, how will your body be supported by perimeter frame?
Jeff, great pics, shows how things ought to be done,nice.
Yes Bob, the rear suspension supports are supported by a 2"x3" tube steel rolling frame and the car is to be tubbed so most of the original sheetmetal,(dropoffs,inner and outer fenderwells,etc.)will not be used, Thanks much. Great site and support.
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