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Harris 20 gauge welding wire

I just picked up some of the Harris 20 gage cored welding wire that was suggested here. I ran a few welds on some scrap pieces & have the following questions:

1. What are the recommended settings for volts & wire speed ? I can't believe the Harris info indicating 300 ipm w/ 16 to 19V. My Miller 251 welder which is 230V suggests 15.5 V w/wire speed of 170 ipm for solid 0.030 wire w/a 75/25 gas mix on 18 gage material

2. My test welds did not seem to be as flat as indicated by the Harris web site info & spoken of here. I ran voltages from about 15 to 16.5 & wire speeds from 140 up to 180 ipm just to get a feel for this wire. I really did not see much difference in the bead height. Do you really see a flatter bead height when compared to solid wire ?

3. Is there any additional health issues over solid wire ? I'm welding in my garage & don't have forced ventilation.

It does seem to reduce warpage, allowing for faster joint finishing.

Thanks to all

Mike.

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If you have spent a lot of time using solid wire you will need to get a feel for the Twenty Gauge as it does handle quite a bit different, I found that I could get a much flatter bead than with solid but it will take some practice to accomplish this. You will find the heat settings and travel speeds are quite a bit different than for .030 solid wire since the Twenty Gauge is less dense and requires less power. The Twenty Gauge does produce more smoke and gasses than solid wire and it contains some things you do not want to breath a lot of, which is true of most welding wires, however it is not as bad as flux core gas-less, no worse than most stick welding and certainly not as bad as welding stainless or Nickle/cast iron. Take health precautions with ANY welding wire even the solid wires.
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HotRod Mike,

I have just gone through my first 2# roll of Twenty-Gauge and find it easy to work with.

I agree with the comment about getting use to it. There are suggested welder settings pasted on the side of the spool. Use them! I was doubtful about the low settings at first but used them and believe that is your best starting point.

Paul
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My Miller 135, 110V, gas up to 25, had the best setting for 20GA at 3 voltage 45 speed, 3/8+ stickout, cut wire every weld......when "spot" welding a 19ga panel in place. It's kind of tough to get it at first. Even a full moon affects it!
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I coundn't find this stuff, here's what I found:

Shannon Long to Bradley, Stephen
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Sorry for the delay. Harris still makes twenty gauge but only in 33# spools.
I don't currently have any in stock but could order and drop ship it to you.
If you would like more information or want to place an order please call
812-842-3600 and ask for Stephen Titzer we take VISA/Mastercard and American
Express. Thanks.

Shannon Long
Evansville Welding Supply
evansvilleweldingsupply.com
Phone 812-842-3600
Fax 812-842-3500

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33# is too big for my little Mig Welder isn't it ??
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I coundn't find this stuff, here's what I found:

Shannon Long to Bradley, Stephen
show details 6:36 AM (1 hour ago)

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Sorry for the delay. Harris still makes twenty gauge but only in 33# spools.
I don't currently have any in stock but could order and drop ship it to you.
If you would like more information or want to place an order please call
812-842-3600 and ask for Stephen Titzer we take VISA/Mastercard and American
Express. Thanks.

Shannon Long
Evansville Welding Supply
evansvilleweldingsupply.com
Phone 812-842-3600
Fax 812-842-3500

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33# is too big for my little Mig Welder isn't it ??

why not take an empty spool and carfully wind it up onto it?
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Watch Ebay, someone may still have the small spools. Read the thread started by stude283 on 3 24 2008.

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might be worth doing, but how much is 33#. Might be more than i can afford !!
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they had '1' 10# spool left and I got it...
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Watch Ebay, someone may still have the small spools. Read the thread started by stude283 on 3 24 2008.


I check E-bay regularly for Twenty Gauge and have yet to find any.

This is interesting although it is contrary to what I last heard from them in an E-mail, maybe all the complaining has done some good! I think if they do intend to market Twenty Gauge again they are making a huge mistake by limiting it to the larger rolls because the 10# and 2# rolls are going to be far more popular for the market that it should be aimed at. I wanted 60# spools for my shop back when I still did that kind of work but it was not available, however I had a special need that would be relativity rare in the industry and I think (mostly due to the extra cost) that there will not be much of a market for it for production work. Buying a 33# spool and transferring it to small spools will certainly work if you do it carefully by setting it up on two hubs and spooling it off that way but trying to do it by hand would almost certainly result in a tangled mess.

This could be very good news and maybe a group could get together and split up a large roll?
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this dealer did admit that they aren't making it anymore. I mentioned a marketing problem and he said it was priced too high.

I was happy to pay $36.20 for a 10# spool though plus shipping...

Still not sure my welder will take it, it's a Harbor Freight. I sure hope so...
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If you opt for re-spooling wire from a big spool onto a small spool, set up the large spool on a horizontal "axle" w/the wire coming off the top of the spool and wind it carefully onto the small spool in the same way.

This will avoid kinking the wire.

I'm still working off of a spool too large for the welder.
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this dealer did admit that they aren't making it anymore.

OK that makes sense, apparently this is just some left-over stock.



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I mentioned a marketing problem and he said it was priced too high.

Compared to some other cored welding wires this stuff was not all that expensive and I seriously doubt that was the problem. I know that when I checked around at various dealers looking fir it most did not even know what I was looking for and of those that did have any stock on hand most thought it was that gas-less crap. If the dealers did not even know what it was I can only imagine the kind of frustration and mis-information that must have been common when people tried to find out anything about it, IMO that goofy mis-leading name and lack of dealer education was the real culprit!

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what to use next?

Old Red,

You were the one that turned me onto this wire in the past & I thank you very much for this tip But since it now appears Lincoln/Harris has no plans to make the 20 Gauge wire any longer, is there anything else out there that would be a good substitute ? I previously used 023 wire for sheetmetal, but would have to change guns/liners/tips back & forth as I worked on sheetmetal & then moved onto heavier frame components, which I can live with I guess, but obviously the 20 Gauge is superior to me when welding on sheetmetal.

Thanks,
Mike
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Hey guys just wanted to let anyone know that may be interested that I have #2 spools of Harris Twenty Gauge .030 part no. TGE2 and Ten Gauge .035 Part No. E71TGSF2. I have 7 spools of the 20 gauge and 4 spools of the ten gauge. I am hoping to sell these as a lot for $50 shipped. PM me if your interested.
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