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Old 05-19-2009, 06:21 PM
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Read my post #9 again please. That tool will DESTROY a panel just as easy as any other tool. I have seen them used, it isn't a magic tool.

Read the "Basics" over and over and then print it out and tape it to the skin when you are doing it.

You will likely have some filler around the edges of the skin when you are done. I don't care what tool you use, there is likely going to be some filler used. If you take your time there will be none, but if there is a little, no big deal.

The thing is, if you are careful with the hammer and dolly and take your time you will have LESS damage than one of those tools. That tool FORCES the metal with no allowance for lack of skill. The hammer and dolly will ONLY do what you tell it to do. If you go slow you will do just fine.

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Thanks Brian. I will read that carefully I just hope I don't mess up a panel. I thought about just buying the shell but I think transferring all the internal stuff would be more difficult than replacing the skin.
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Thanks Brian. I will read that carefully I just hope I don't mess up a panel. I thought about just buying the shell but I think transferring all the internal stuff would be more difficult than replacing the skin.
Transfering all the components is a piece of cake compared to doing a skin.

But on the same note, the repro shells are JUNK. Working with the oem shell and a repro skin is better.

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You will likely have some filler around the edges of the skin when you are done. I don't care what tool you use, there is likely going to be some filler used. If you take your time there will be none, but if there is a little, no big deal.
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That is very true, I had some on the door I did, mainly to fill tooling marks, but that was far better than filling or repairing the rust hole in the lower front of the door.

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Ok, so I just use hammer and dolly and go slow around door folding a little at a time. Thanks to all!
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thats right ,but dont forget what crash said in post #4 very,very good advice then get the hammer and dollie out.let us know how it all turned out.
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Ok, so I just use hammer and dolly and go slow around door folding a little at a time. Thanks to all!
And I would suggest that you don't use the adhesive. That will put too much pressure on you to get it done fast. Just hem it and then weld at the corners.

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the SEM set times vary because jobs come in differnt sizes,therefore you can get them anywhere from 5 min to 5 hrs just read the directions or at least check out the option.I was a true disbeliever in glues vs.welding until they were actually demondstrated.the glued joint was stronger(after cured two pieces of steel could not be seperated even with a air chisel). The metal actualy tore before the glue.Other advantages include water tight seal and adjustability so many up to date restorers will use glues as another great tool in their box for very quaility oriantated tradesman who want their work to last. check them out there ez but you'll still have to hammer and dollie but the job is ALMOST fool proof and the finished work will need very little bodywork if any ,even for a first timer,I've done many,many skins,both ways but this is the way I've done it for the last ten years ,its the sheet,expensive but great, available at any paint store,just ask ,they'll tell you the same thing
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The glue convinced me when I saw door hinges glued on newer cars.

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The glue convinced me when I saw door hinges glued on newer cars.

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There are no glued on hinges that I know of. There are weld on, but I have never seen a glue on and I see 150 cars a month.

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I think a beginner could use the adhesive, if it is cool enough, a slow enough adhesive is used, there are no interruptions, and he is determined to press through the process non-stop.

I used to forgo the glue because I got interrupted too often. Now I just have to explain to people that I cannot stop until the skin is done...
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yeah but how many do you do major repairs on?thats how you'll know.Depanding on the make ,the glues are every where ,all types of them.Try removing a quarter panel of an 00-08 Impalia for instance,you'll find three to four kinds of glue. Hinges too,I've even glued an entire bottom of a carmin gia with rust out patches,including door bottoms,...great stuff , very ez to use,inables anybody with a driveway to do patches just drill screws (till its dry)tin snips and the most basic tools.Basicly ,anybody that can read a tape measure can patch a rust hole that will last,,way easier than bondo work,that takes time to learn
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I am a big believer in the adhesives as well. I have posted a lot of stuff here supporting it. But it does put an element of "Rush" that can cause undo pressure on a newbe.

I have never seen a 5 hour work time adhesive, but if there is one that would make all the difference.

You mentioned hinges, do you know of a hinge that is bonded on?

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certainly!!!! Everything hinges on a good bond ,doesnt it ?
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There are no glued on hinges that I know of. There are weld on, but I have never seen a glue on and I see 150 cars a month.

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I had a 90 model Chevy full size truck and they were glued on.

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