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Old 05-25-2010, 08:01 PM
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no heat shild, next to try. i did the tunning thing today. i backed the timming up so far that i lost 4 on my vac went from 16 to 12. no diffrance in the starter issue. tried leaning it out no help. now the starter does pull a lot of juice. it starts to smoke real quick. all of the starters i have the wire from the silniod to the starter starts smoking. even a frend of mines high dollor msd gear starter

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Old 05-25-2010, 08:12 PM
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Sounds like inadequate positive battery cable size, a poor ground, or a dead cell in the battery if it does this with several different starters. Have you tried a different battery??
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yep i have a few different batters i have try ed same thing. i have 2 ground 2 wire. my hot wire is 2 gauge. I'm think of doing the ford solenoid deal but with out wiring it to the s terminal but just run anther 2 gauge wire to the starter side of the solenoid. this way when you the start switch. you get the hot wire from the stander ed side of the solenoid and then the ford side will be hot on the starter side so the solenoid dont have to carry as much.
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Yeah this is typical of a cooking starter.

Second is a heat shield rather than insulation. The problem with insulation is it will keep heat in as well as out, so the starter motor can get quite hot from soaking back from the block as well as from the exhaust.

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That is exactly what I was gonna say. Never wrap your starter, shifter cables, or fuel lines. That will hold the heat in after it is soaked. I really like your idea of a heat shield; I'm gonna try that out next time.

If the battery cables are "smoking" then there is definetly something wrong with the cable or the ground. Put your voltmeter at the starter and measure the voltage while cranking when hot. I bet you will find that your cables are the culprit! There is corrosion or some kind of resistance in the circuit. This could also mean a faulty ground connection at the block. The battery voltage shouldn't drop less than 10.5 volts when cranking at 80 degrees with a fully charged battery when measured at the battery terminals. The battery voltage should be at least 9.5volts when cranking at the starter terminals. Good Luck.
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What was the result when you disabled the ignition and tried to start the car? Did it turn over any better?

Is your starter shimmed and spaced properly? Maybe you have it too tight against the flywheel and its actually jammed up.
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starter woes

you mentioned that you replaced the solenoid did you replace the actual starter motor and have you checked the brushes to see if they are wore out causing the starter to draw more current
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OK few updates. i took the starter out and replaced my brushes, holder and cable to the brushes since they pretty much got cooked. I built a brace, which i also added a heat shield. Ford solenoid with 8 gage wire. it spins over much better now. took her for a drive let her get good and hot. the start only got in the hight 200 were as before 400+, however after hot the starter still spin the engine pretty well but it wonts to just kick out. some time it will turn it for a while and some times as soon as you hit the key. could this be a week solenoid are something else.
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If you take the solenoid apart, you'll find the terminals shown below. They will sometimes be very corroded and worn, causing an erratic starter.

The "trick" is to loosen the lock nuts that hold these terminals in place and rotate them both 180. This gives a new surface to make a better connection with.

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while cleaning the solenoid sounds good i have the new permanent magnet mini style so i don't See a way to disassemble it without being destructive.
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OK other hunny do jobs kept me from the truck for a while. anyway i try ed another solenoid. the Bendix will still release sporadically. the starter still spins.
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no one has any ideas. got a new noid. first time i fire her up it will spin it well. after she gets hot just a littel.
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