[nobler]

hello again, and thanks for all your help, I have already received the 94-04 mustang track rod ends, they are indeed the 7.15 degree taper and definately m14 by 1.5
/\ as pictured, afew inches longer than a stock mustang 2 joint.

so, at least I am m14-1.5 and m14 -1.5 for tie rod
-i think i need 270mm end to end for the tie rods, there are a few stock items I think I can use
renault megane for example maybe correct


trouble is I cannot even begin to fab the cross-member and towers, as the placement of the balls in the inner tie rod changes from manufaturer to manufacturer, I could spin down some ford ones I have tofrom m16 to m14, but alas I fear this simply misses the point of being able to use completely stock parts
stock rack -smart car
stock tie rod -megane
stock tie rod end - 94-04 mustang
stock spindle
stock offset rotor
stock offset 6j15 torque thrust
stock tyre heinght 155 60 15

plus it all fits

think hub to hub is 48 inches.

plus you gat a alloy rack 4-1 ratio, with 3/4 double d out!!!

p.s. I have already bought the mazda ones, knowing us ford and mazda share some parts, the taper IS correct, but alas the pin length is too short!!!

[Silver Shadow]

Nobler, give me a TOTAL length dimension !

That is from the extreme end of the male M14 x1.5 that screws into the rack bar,
to the extreme end of the male M14 x 1.5 thread on the tie rod adjuster end.

I know that sounds rather odd, but that is how these tie rods lengths are specified in the TRW chassis parts book.
I have two pages of lengths listed from 5.42 inches to 15.75 inches.

[Augusto]

do you have drawings of your planned setup? it worries me that such a short rack may make you end up with too long tie rods which will give your suspension a bad case of bump-steer.

[Silver Shadow]

Originally Posted by Augusto

do you have drawings of your planned setup? it worries me that such a short rack may make you end up with too long tie rods which will give your suspension a bad case of bump-steer.

Augusto, take another look at the above photographs.

The tie rods are the same length as the lower wishbones, and just as importantly are located at the same height as the lower wishbones.

There will be zero bump steer, Nobler knows EXACTLY what he is doing.

[nobler]

hello, thanks for the bump steer concern.
what has transpired is, i took delivery today of a megane tie rod end, now i thought i'd need something 270ishmm end to end, I was kind of measuring from the lower regions of the lower pivot, on the line through to the top.
the meganne worked out at about 245mm, of course it was only when i had fitted the tie rod to the rack, and the rod end to the rod, fit that into the spindle, then came back over with the lower arm, that I realised i needed to raise the rack up, in order to clear the lower arm, with the gaiter, thus moving the steering rod ball out, taking up the difference, another fluke as it has turned out exact.
takes another inch from the overal width too!!!

anyone have any 6j torque thrusts in ford 4.5 - a pair.

also thanks fro the heads up on the 8 - 1 =7.15 degrees, as its cross-member time, SO, if the cross-member is 4 inches wide, there needs to be 1/2 inchdiffernce front to back of the 4'' piece of steel, to acheive a dive angle of 3.5-ish
-seems a tad extreme on a car with a 92 inch wheel base.

for some reason I had 3-4mm over the 4 inches - 100mm
= 1/4 inch over 4 =1.75 degrees
might stick a little more in now!!!

-recap - using 3 inch by 2, will stick with the 4ish mm.
=thanks.

[nobler]

all good, turns out track will be a tad narrower too.
renault megane.

only concerns now are steering arm length verses 4-1 ration and throw, 59mm each way

p.s. gaiter divet = perfecto too!!!!

[Silver Shadow]

Originally Posted by nobler

p.s. I have already bought the mazda ones, knowing us ford and mazda share some parts, the taper IS correct, but alas the pin length is too short!!!

Check out those part numbers I found on the previos page.
I did check the major and minor taper diameters were the same as the Mustang 2 taper diameters.
As you have just discovered, that small detail is rather important.