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Old 12-07-2012, 05:40 PM
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help finding the right engine for a new BBC build

hey guys im looking to start putting a bbc together to throw in one of my cars later on but i wanna do a big block since ive never done one and i envy the guys with the crazy powered big blocks so i wanna do one..but i need help picking one out im not sure whether it matter going with a later one like the ones in the late model pick up since they are 4 bolts or the early ones from the 60's 70's and if anybody knows a good solid and affordable place to get a block or short block thanks again

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:12 PM
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what is the engine going live in? How much power and technology do you want?
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look for a late 70's to late 80's truck
most likely will be a standard bore ,never rebuilt engine..
may or maynot be 4 bolt
may or maynot have forged crank
will have peanut port heads (junk for hotrod)

you can add 4 bolt caps, and forged crank if you feel you'll need them..
or go stroker..
my 454 came out of a 81 dually.. it was forged crank, four bolt 7/16bolt rods
with peanut port heads..
I lucked out someone dropped a shortblock in the truck not long before it was totalled..
and bought a overkill lowerend..
good luck
don't forget your local machine shop. most likely has a bbc core.. or knows people selling one..
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well i currently have a sbc thats turboed that i plan to take and set the turbo up on the engine later on down the line maybe a year or so from now low compression and boost lol it would be going into a 70 nova
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well i currently have a sbc thats turboed that i plan to take and set the turbo up on the engine later on down the line maybe a year or so from now low compression and boost lol it would be going into a 70 nova
hope you plan on big $$ parts..
I'd look at a new dart block..
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best bang for the buck is a 540.push that Nova into the 9s if the driveline doesnt get obliterated
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well i currently have a sbc thats turboed that i plan to take and set the turbo up on the engine later on down the line maybe a year or so from now low compression and boost lol it would be going into a 70 nova
Let's get this clear, you are going to put a big block in a 70 Nova and install a turbo on this engine later. If this is the plan do you want less than 9:1 compression ratio also? In my opinion it would be easier to build a 496 stroker. Using the right set of heads and camshaft with 10.2 compression ratio you would have a pump gas friendly motor. You probably would have about 600-650 hp.
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Hope you have deep pockets and Lots of fabricating experence, for the Nova body will not handle the power without a good cage it will crack at windsheild pillows and rear of roof ,if i understood correctly you are going to be street driven ,i am running 496 aluminum heads ,intake tripower and alum waterpump only 60 lbs difference in weight of sbc personally i would stay away from tall deck ,just my opinion, engine will be only small part of cost as compared to setting up rest of car
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The build is going to be done over time so while I'm not trying to take out a second mortgage I'm not gonna fret the cost too much... And I will stay around 9:1 cr I'd like to make around 800-1000 hp and I do plan on getting a cage put in the car a friend of mines father owns a pretty well know cage builder here on Long Island so I will be having that done also now I'm confused some guys are saying tall deck other are saying no whays the benefits or draw backs to the tall deck ...btw this will be a car that will see both street and strip
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My opinion for the standard deck is parts avalibility and cost better head choice and weight ,you can check GM catalog for shipping weight for 366 tall deck 427 as compared to 454 or 502 ,366 being the heavest thicker walls heavy casting some tall deck use 4 ring pistons and heavt crank as they were designed as a truck engine like the 409 when they have rite parts they make LOTS of power ,i would recomend looking at Jegs ,Summitt.or someone for parts and price difference ,Just my opimion dont make it wright Good luck
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for your first bbc..
I'd stick with a 489/496 with a stock block...
get the car done, drive it.. see where the weaknesses are..(THERE WILL BE MANY) get it to stay together.. after you have that sorted out..
then start a engine build for your crazy power level..
if you drop a 800+ engine in an unknown car, meaning not sorted out..
you'll park it into the wall and ball it up.. and be back to square ONE!!!!
today it's way to easy to build power and get yourself in trouble.. with more engine than car.. ya, all those turbo'd cars look fun.. but they are balled up a lot.. as it get hairy real fast.. a bbc with a turbo will be like try'n to pedal a john force flopper... by the time you lift it's to late..
start smaller and work up to the crazy..
you'll be glad you did
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Wow that's a lot of good info... Yeah hcompton I plan on back halving the car and running the hoops from the frot frame rails like u said ... I'm really bent on using this turbo system on this car though sorry for the stubborness
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my 489 will be 775hp and over 700 ft lb
and the cam is mild for a solid roller..
a turbo.. is really not needed..
if you have 30+ grnd to spend on an engine ,by all means go for it..
if you think your bolting a scat crank and rods in a bbc and turbo'n it.. and it living.. for 5-9k build cost.. good luck..
my 489
core 800.oo(running)
forged crank /h beam rods/ati balancer/sfi flexplate/pistons(srp) rings and bearings (in 2002) was 2900.oo on sale
roller cam and all the gear for it(cam/lifter/springs/locks/v.seals/retainers 1500.oo
2 piece timing cover 170.00
hex a just roller timing set 80 ish
full roller rockers 450.00
dartpro 1 345 heads 1995.00 (in 2002 about 2800 now)
dart single plane intake 460.00
arp studs main &head 370.oo
arp bolt set for bbc 200 ish
msd distrubutor 290.oo
oil pan/oil pump and pick up, dipstick 550+
serp belt set up 880.oo
carb 600+ (and you want turbo so efi 2500-4000+ )
still need to machine block, it's only been mag'd
pushrods, valve covers, a/c compressor/alt/ps pump/water pump/
miss little stuff like gaskets/etc
this little(by todays standards big block ) will be over 10k easy
and I bought the parts in 2002 the prices are not less now..
your turbo(s) will be 3000.oo cause your not gonna put a 500.oo china turbo in front of a 10-30k bullet (at least I would not)
never mind the 10k-15+ in the car backhalf and equipment needed to keep the nova in one piece
good luck
whenyou hit the lotto, send some my way, thanks
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Yeah it's Gonna be expensive I know ...
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And when I hit lotto ur the first one to get some
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