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Old 12-26-2005, 04:12 PM
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Help! Tail Lamps, but No Turn Signals or Brake Lamps

I can handle all but electrical, routing and connecting, but trouble shooting, nope...

In the process of finishing up the Willys. I have a complete new wiring harness. Head lamps and tail lamps working, but I have no brake lamps or turn signals. I am using an early 90's F-body column. I have connected all of the wires to the harness that comes out of the column (all color coded, simple huh?) but can't figure out why. I have checked the fuses, used two different brake lamp switches.

Brake lamps -- have power to the switch, have power coming out of the switch (at all times). Should not have power coming out all of the time I guess. It has one hot wire from ignition and one orange that is hot also. I have power on each terminal. It says to connect white ignition wire to one and the orange to the other. But again, with orange connected hot on both sides and of course the white becomes hot.

Turn signals -- connected all wires as per instructions. Checked fuse and is hot on both sides. Again, it is an early 90's column with the factory wiring out of column. Activated turn signals and nothing, nada. Could the column need to be grounded. The mounting pads have plastic bushings, so there is no ground. I do not know what other info to give.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Although its simple it is a bit confusing ..

brake system should be hot all the time.{brake lights work with or without key}

did you make sure that all the wires coming from the column are going to the right place not to sure about ford but GM will use the same "looking stuff" and run the wires different into the plugs .

you might just have to switch the wires so they are going & coming in the right spots

did that make sense?

lemme know how you make out!!

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Hey thanks for the reply. i did confirm all of the wires are going to the correct places. I confirmed in the instruction manual and by the excellent color coding.

Does anyone think that it would be better to run an Ididit column? I hear they alow easier turn signal function.

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Doc here,

If you have power on Both Sides of the brake light switch, you have one of Three things wrong...

You have Two Sources of power going to the switch
(instead of power and lamp harness)

You have too much adjustment on the switch at the pedal
( always on )

You have the wrong oriented Switch
(Normally Closed in the pedal static position..these are made to mount BACKWARDS, on the linkage or pedal, so that pedal full up shuts it off)

As for the turnsignals, without seeing your diagrams, and going on your word that the wire is correct, I can only say, is the flasher installed? and is it heated up? (Some require a separate source of power)

To test, pull the plug at the column, and manually jump the signal system one at a time, and it should run..If not it may give you some insight as to the diagram your using as gospel...

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Are you using integrated or seperate lights for the brake/signal lights
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Huh? The lights are 41 Willys, so they would be integrated. I checked the bulbs, they are correct, and the wires to them are correct. I did find out that the brake lamps switch is bad, and as for the turn signals, I should be at least hearing a click from the flasher. There is power to the flasher, so I am going to try another.

I guess new parts don't always work... If you know of anything else to check, let me know...

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Update:

Just want to let everyone know what I found out. Most aftermarket wiring harness kits are wired pre 79 GM. I am/was using a 90 - 92 model Camaro column that I shortened and shaved, and was going to paint to match car.

Well, these columns are wired different internally with different type switches. Although, all wire colors match up and everything seems to be o.k. It had three extra wires coming out after all wiring complete, they said that Camaro columns must be rewired to make work, and must be done if you want brake lamps, turn signals and neutral safety switch operation, of course...


SSSSSSooooooooooo, I bought a new Billet Specialties and everything is supposed to match up and work.

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well good glad you got it fixed

yea I agree "brake lights" ar a good option......ta have


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Doc here,

Hope that didn't set ya back too much..

Crossed Fingers here...

let us know if it works turnkey..

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Worked out just fine...

Yeah, my fingers were crossed, but after the column and of course a billet specialties floor swivel mount and a billet column drop


$535


Now I can say everything on car is new with the exception of the Ford 9" housing. Shoot, next car will be something I hope a little more simple, and of course, not as expensive.

But, oh well, I am having some fun and thats what it is all about....
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Worked out just fine...

Yeah, my fingers were crossed, but after the column and of course a billet specialties floor swivel mount and a billet column drop


$535


Now I can say everything on car is new with the exception of the Ford 9" housing. Shoot, next car will be something I hope a little more simple, and of course, not as expensive.

But, oh well, I am having some fun and thats what it is all about....
Doc here,

Ouch! Well, if ya gotta have it ...ya gotta have it...

Yeah..keeps ya outta the bars and pool hall...

If there is a Mrs. 41 Willis..She must be very understanding...or a Hobbyist herself..

My first and second EX..had no clue...Served the divorce papers as "Respondents Name" "That Butt Hanging out of the Hood"..

I explained it to the last Mrs. Docvette..

It's either this "Butt Hanging out of the hood"

OR : "This Butt hanging out IN the hood.."

Which do you prefer?

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Hey, thanks for your assistance on where to look.

By the way, there is a Mrs., but I can't say she loves it too much. She just tolerates it, but my son is all about hot rodding.


Thanks Again,

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no ground

your colom may have lost its ground or turn singal switch my be bad
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