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Old 10-30-2012, 08:40 AM
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I was taking a look at Holden's vehicle lineup for 2012 and, well, it's basically all the Chevy cars built with the options we have been wanting for years! Rwd v8 sedans. Suv's with a 2.8 Duramax Diesel. A modern version of the elcamino. Turbo 4 cylinders. Why doesn't Gm sell these cars in the US!? Why are we stuck with wimpy little fwd pieces of junk? We've been waiting years for a smaller duramax and they already have a 2.8 and a 4.5 version that would be perfect for the suv's, yet we can't have them? Can someone explain this?

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Old 10-30-2012, 09:03 AM
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US government regulations, the costs to certify those vehicles for emissions, safety, GREEN regulations. Oboma's free trade is only with China ?
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No...I'm still waiting for the explanation from 1974 when the big three manufacturers told us that in order to save the environment we needed lower compression, pollution pumps, and more wires and spaghetti vacuum hoses than Chef Boy-Ardi. All this for 10 to 15 miles per gallon less and less power. How, when your using more fossil fuels to go the same distance and it takes you longer to get there are we putting less pollution in the air.

Now to answer your question

Your question is probably related to a public probe initiated to enhance the embodiment of the general public in order to facilitate a more economical resolution that encompasses all the variables in the set perameter enabling the masses to function within the guidelines set forth by governing bodies regulated by the requirements handed down from significant sources...This being said a report was issued by end users and the directive indicated a resolve was needed in conjunction with our ever ongoing efforts to satisfy public demand without utilizing any engineering or public outcry that insists a vehicle looks good, functions well and is efficient.

I hope my lawyer cousin has has explained this to all the laymen out there.

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The Pontiac G8 is a Holden, as is the new Caprice cop car. We're scheduled to get a vehicle about mid way between the G8 and the Caprice early in the 2014 year. It will be called the Chevrolet SS. I'm on the list to get one of the first ones.
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They did bring the Monaro as the GTO

In 2004-2006, Pontiac built the GTO in Australia, based on the Monaro it features the LS1 engine in a sport coupe body. Unfortunately critics panned the GTO because it didn't have hood scoops, totally overlooking the performance which is comparable to the Corvette. In 05-06 they added scoops, but sales were sluggish, maybe in part due to the retro design Mustang.

I followed all of this closely, wanting badly to buy one, but the pricing was held above $30k by "market value" dealer markups. Two years ago today, I flew to Atlanta and purchased an 04 w/ 7000 miles on it for a very reasonable price.

IMHO, best car I've ever had, built well and performs much better than the 69 GTO I had in the late 70s. I've used the car as a dd, but still have just 25k on the clock.
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Speaking of the GTO, if they would have given it retro styling like they did with the camaro they sales would have been huge. It didn't have bad styling imo, but it wasn't anywhere close to the classic gto look which is what they should have gone with.
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No doubt, a retro style GTO would have sold well, especially if they did the 68-72 A body and gave us a GTO, GS, 442, and Chevelle SS. That would have been a great follow up to the imported Holden.

Still, my goat gets a few thumbs up, and more than a few long looks from ricers as I fly by.
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No doubt, a retro style GTO would have sold well, especially if they did the 68-72 A body and gave us a GTO, GS, 442, and Chevelle SS. That would have been a great follow up to the imported Holden.

Still, my goat gets a few thumbs up, and more than a few long looks from ricers as I fly by.
I loved the last gto, just wish they still made it. I did kinda look like a bulkier version of the4th gen camaro though.
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The gov't emission regulations in the 70's were based on parts per million sampling of the exhaust and evaporitive emissions, NOT total emissions per mile driven or passenger mile. Smaller import vehicles did not have to meet the same standards as larger US vehicles. The numbers changed every year, and the companies had to do a 25 thousand mile test of each vehicle configuration to get a preliminary certification including a series of cold start, warm up. hot run, cool down, restart. etc. then a 50 k test to get final approval. Government policies made the goal to get every configeration to pass the 25 k and 50 k tests NOT to have good mileage,and emissions close to the magic number, just get them to pass.Before any tweeking of a product could be done and tested to make improvements the engineers were working to get to the next years numbers.
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US government regulations, the costs to certify those vehicles for emissions, safety, GREEN regulations. Oboma's free trade is only with China ?
Look up your history. It was some dude named NIXON who granted "Most Favored Nation" status to China!
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Look up your history. It was some dude named NIXON who granted "Most Favored Nation" status to China!
yup nixon started it....
but obama opened it up 10 fold. and is allowing china to devalue it's currence..
obama has many on both sides that help with this..
washington are spenders ,they'll not upset the apple cart..
someones going to have to, and obama won't be the one..
one regulation will change things and bring jobs back..
one bill... if you want to sell your goods in the US ofA .your manufacturing plants have to meet the standards they'd have to pass inside our boarders
that be ,labor regs/emission regs,everything..
one bill is all it'll take...
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